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[GP1]

2 hours ago, 72 Roo said:

I hope UGA gets it. NIL can't only be a one way deal in favor of the athlete.  

I wish it was a contract negotiated under a collective bargaining agreement that left no ambiguity of the parties obligations. 

[GP1]

1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

I agree with the second part,  but did you read the article? The contract was predatory and the player never should've been directed to sign it.

 

"The deal states that if Wilson withdrew from the Georgia team or entered the transfer portal, he would owe the collective a lump-sum payment equal to the rest of the money he'd have received had he stayed for the length of the contract."

 

I hope there's common sense applied in this ruling.  Make the kid pay back what he was paid, but don't rob him. Screw Georgia for going after the full amount.

How is it predatory?  Was it his only contract offer?  What is difficult to understand about the terms? Did he sign it at the age of 18 or older?

 

It all seems pretty clear to me. 

 

I once signed a relocation offer that included me being required to repay the cost of the relocation if I left the company after during my first year of employment. This seems very similar. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

There should be a financial penalty for backing out of a contract that one signed just a few weeks prior. Otherwise it only benefits the player, not the school he signed it with as he would be free to leave anytime, but the school is committed for the length of the contract. If the situation was reversed and Georgia rescinded his scholarship and ripped up his NIL deal after he signed we would be ripping Georgia apart saying they owe him every last penny.

 

Perhaps the buyout on the players part shouldn't be 100% of remaining value, but I wouldn't be opposed to 25% or 50%. Something needs to prevent players from signing with a team, but then continuing to shop for a better deal. If the concern is about predatory contracts perhaps certified agents should be negotiating these deals instead of these random 'agents' off the streets or family friends.

 

Or, hear me out, a gazillion dollar corrupt taxpayer funded institution in a lawless environment doesn't need to get more rich by stealing more from these athletes when they already steal from the student body.

 

The NCAA should be enforcing a NFL-style approved agents list, but schools like Georgia are doing everything in their power to ensure the landscape remains tilted in their favor. Every legal battle has benefitted the schools vs NCAA or players vs NCAA, which ultimately benefits the elite schools. 

 

Discovery and the legal case should bring all the facts to the table, and I'm not saying the player isnt at fault as well. Just not sure we need to be endorsing this type of institution v player case where the institution is literally trying to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Let'sGoZips94

[Let'sGoZips94]

54 minutes ago, GP1 said:

How is it predatory?  Was it his only contract offer?  What is difficult to understand about the terms? Did he sign it at the age of 18 or older?

 

It all seems pretty clear to me. 

 

I once signed a relocation offer that included me being required to repay the cost of the relocation if I left the company after during my first year of employment. This seems very similar. 

 

Wilson is either an idiot for signing it or was grossly misguided/misled by someone close to him. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. The issue is Georgia inheriting the contract then legally going after the player for the full amount of the contract rather than what was already paid and leaving it at that. 

 

Your comparison is laughably way off base. If the company would've come after you for X number of years' worth of salary, that would be more on par with what we're witnessing with this case. 

 

Regardless, a reasonable judge will probably step in to significantly reduce the amount as I don't know if Georgia can prove legitimate liquidated damages or whatever the legal jargon would be. 

[kreed5120]

1 minute ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Or, hear me out, a gazillion dollar corrupt taxpayer funded institution in a lawless environment doesn't need to get more rich by stealing more from these athletes when they already steal from the student body.

 

Having 1 year deals that are actually enforceable by both parties is a good start to at least trying to restore some order. It's not stealing if a player agreed to the terms. If a player doesn't like that language in a contract then don't sign an agreement that contains it. You see coaching contracts with this language all the time. Dambrot had to pay Akron when he left in the middle of his contract to go to Duquesne. This would be no different than that.

 

I don't really care this involves Georgia. This type of situation can just as easily happen to any G5 as well. In fact, it very might have happened to Akron this past year in basketball, but I don't know if players like Okonkwo or Nate Johnson signed anything or not before ultimately leaving. Schools like Akron aren't gazillionaires. In fact, we have been operating at deficits in many recent years.

[Let'sGoZips94]

16 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

Having 1 year deals that are actually enforceable by both parties is a good start to at least trying to restore some order. It's not stealing if a player agreed to the terms. If a player doesn't like that language in a contract then don't sign an agreement that contains it. You see coaching contracts with this language all the time. Dambrot had to pay Akron when he left in the middle of his contract to go to Duquesne. This would be no different than that.

 

I don't really care this involves Georgia. This type of situation can just as easily happen to any G5 as well. In fact, it very might have happened to Akron this past year in basketball, but I don't know if players like Okonkwo or Nate Johnson signed anything or not before ultimately leaving. Schools like Akron aren't gazillionaires. In fact, we have been operating at deficits in many recent years.

 

I'm not arguing the breach of contract. I'm arguing the gross greed by Georgia. 

[kreed5120]

24 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

I'm not arguing the breach of contract. I'm arguing the gross greed by Georgia. 

 

You're too focused on this being Georgia that you're missing the bigger picture. I'm arguing if there is no real penalty for players breaching their contract they will just continue to do it if it just means they will get 550k at Missouri vs 450k they already agreed to at Georgia (not exactly certain what Missouri paid, but plugged in a number to illustrate a point).

 

I do agree 100% is steep, but something in the neighborhood of 25%-50% seems more reasonable. There needs to be something in place to discourage the player or compensate for the breach. Without it these NIL deals might as well be written on toilet paper. 

Edited 17 hours ago by kreed5120

[Let'sGoZips94]

12 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

You're too focused on this being Georgia that you're missing the bigger picture. I'm arguing if there is no real penalty for players breaching their contract they will just continue to do it if it just means they will get 550k at Missouri vs 450k they already agreed to at Georgia (not exactly certain what Missouri paid, but plugged in a number to illustrate a point).

 

I do agree 100% is steep, but something in the neighborhood of 25%-50% seems more reasonable. There needs to be something in place to discourage the player or compensate for the breach. Without it these NIL deals might as well be written on toilet paper. 

 

I agree it needs nipped in the butt. This type of litigation isn't how to do that. 

 

You could insert any school name,  especially P4, and I'd take issue with a school suing a player for hundreds of thousands that they never actually lost themselves. Programs and coaches for years have been screwing over players. There are moral contracts that have been violated without repercussions for decades and continue to be. Lane Kiffin made a commitment to an entire roster that he would lead them this season. Just before their playoff birth, he has bolted for another university for his own personal gain. How do the players litigate that? They can't; they just have to accept it and hope they have the right coaching still around to lead them to success. Should they bow out early, who knows if Kiffin would've made rhe difference. Who knows what a deep playoff run or even national championship could do to transform their lives. How is that measured in "liquidated damages" for the players? Fact is, in can't be. 

 

College athletics are lawless. Resolve that before sending messages by taking exorbitant money out of players' pockets that the University isn't out themselves. 

[GP1]

6 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Wilson is either an idiot for signing it or was grossly misguided/misled by someone close to him. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. The issue is Georgia inheriting the contract then legally going after the player for the full amount of the contract rather than what was already paid and leaving it at that. 

 

Your comparison is laughably way off base. If the company would've come after you for X number of years' worth of salary, that would be more on par with what we're witnessing with this case. 

 

Regardless, a reasonable judge will probably step in to significantly reduce the amount as I don't know if Georgia can prove legitimate liquidated damages or whatever the legal jargon would be. 

Wilson isn't being punished. He's being held to the terms of a contract he signed. The players want their cake and eat it too. They want to be treated like adult professionals, but when they get treated like one they play the old "student -athlete" card crap. Screw them. 

 

If my relocation offer included me having to pay back a year's salary for leaving the company before one year, I would never have signed it. I wouldn't have needed a lawyer to tell me that. I'm sure there were better structured deals from other schools. He should have taken one of them or negotiated better. 

 

If the judge in this case rules against the collective, it will set off a series of cases far and wide pertaining to NIL contracts. It could be a good thing that drives college football to move towards collective bargaining. 

[MangoZip]

When people say it’s impossible to win here you have to look at situations like this, or even Indiana. Last season was their first in FBS. 

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[zippy5]

They invested in their programs 

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, zippy5 said:

They invested in their programs 

Yes, also if you go back to 2012 their enrollment was about 23k. In 2025 their enrollment is now north of 50k and is still growing so it has more than doubled in less than 15 years. Meanwhile, ours has been cut in half.

 

If our student body was ~3.5x the size that it is currently (to make it comparable to Kennesaw St) we would also be in a better position to fund athletics.

Edited 7 hours ago by kreed5120

[GP1]

3 hours ago, MangoZip said:

When people say it’s impossible to win here you have to look at situations like this, or even Indiana. Last season was their first in FBS. 

I agree. In addition, Duke, Tulane and NTSU were all in championship games this weekend. Kansas is good, Vandy is good. Wake Forest is good. I could go on. It is possible for a school like Akron to get good. 

 

Akron being bad has been by decision and on purpose as far as I can tell. I just saw Hunter Y on GameDay and threw up a little in my mouth that he wasn't named after Mack. Instead, we picked Wistrcill and got I Coach. He chose ICoach on purpose in spite of him being completely unqualified for the job. Think our failure isn't on purpose?

 

On a side note, I saw Kennesaw State play Wake Forest this year. I was very impressed with how physically they played. It was a good reminder that physicality still matters in football. 

[exit322]

24 minutes ago, GP1 said:

I agree. In addition, Duke, Tulane and NTSU were all in championship games this weekend. Kansas is good, Vandy is good. Wake Forest is good. I could go on. It is possible for a school like Akron to get good. 

 

Akron being bad has been by decision and on purpose as far as I can tell. I just saw Hunter Y on GameDay and threw up a little in my mouth that he wasn't named after Mack. Instead, we picked Wistrcill and got I Coach. He chose ICoach on purpose in spite of him being completely unqualified for the job. Think our failure isn't on purpose?

 

On a side note, I saw Kennesaw State play Wake Forest this year. I was very impressed with how physically they played. It was a good reminder that physicality still matters in football. 

 

Sorry, it's hopeless here.  We just have to hope that we get six wins in a single season once a decade maybe.  Not a chance for Akron to ever have success.  None.  There's too many excuses err reasons.

[GP1]

18 minutes ago, exit322 said:

 

Sorry, it's hopeless here.  We just have to hope that we get six wins in a single season once a decade maybe.  Not a chance for Akron to ever have success.  None.  There's too many excuses err reasons.

Hope isn't a strategy. I'm of the opinion we aren't far from getting 6 wins every season.

 

The 2025 season wasn't the disaster some believe it was. Over half the MAC schools had losing records. Akron literally finished in the middle of the conference and had a .500 record in conference. The Kent loss still sticks in my craw because I believe Akron is a better program and had better players. That's the difference between going to a bowl or not. It would have also given Akron four wins for the home fans, which is badly needed. Akron also won two games on the road which seemed out of reach not long ago. 

 

On the surface, Akron should have beaten Kent and Wyoming. Dig a little deeper and it's understandable why a coach finds winning at Akron so difficult. Akron isn't far away. Just a couple more financial pieces. 

Edited 4 hours ago by GP1

[exit322]

5 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Hope isn't a strategy. I'm of the opinion we aren't far from getting 6 wins every season.

 

The 2025 season wasn't the disaster some believe it was. Akron literally finished in the middle of the conference and had a .500 record in conference. The Kent loss still sticks in my craw because I believe Akron is a better program and had better players. That's the difference between going to a bowl or not. It would have also given Akron four wins for the home fans, which is badly needed. Akron also won two games on the road which seemed out of reach not long ago. 

 

On the surface, Akron should have beaten Kent and Wyoming. Dig a little deeper and it's understandable why a coach finds winning at Akron so difficult. Akron isn't far away. Just a couple more financial pieces. 

Ah no you don't read around here enough.  This program is forever screwed.  Don't look at any of the evidence of programs changing their fortunes, that is impossible here.

 

Also Akron definitely should have been one of the bowl waivered teams.  Way too much talent to be 5-7 with this schedule.

[GP1]

10 minutes ago, exit322 said:

Way too much talent to be 5-7 with this schedule.

I generally agree. They had enough talent to win six. 

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, exit322 said:

Ah no you don't read around here enough.  This program is forever screwed.  Don't look at any of the evidence of programs changing their fortunes, that is impossible here.

 

Also Akron definitely should have been one of the bowl waivered teams.  Way too much talent to be 5-7 with this schedule.

 

The first part of correcting a problem is admitting there is one to begin with. I don't think there is much mistaking the fact that the decision makers at the top are the ones who over the last ~25 years put us in a strain both financially and athletically.

 

But no let's continue to deny there are any deeper problems. After all we're apparently to some just 1 coach away from from winning 10 games each year and winning the MAC championship for the next decade. Maybe even sneak into the playoffs once or twice.

 

It's literally insanity to just keep going down the same road of bringing in coaches without also attempting to address the deeper concerns that are facing the program.

 

You mention all Duke's, Kansas, etc of the world. I'm willing to bet all those programs can at least afford a training table for their athletes and probably have money for proper nutrition plans. If you're not holding the administration accountable for things, including the Icoach and Arth hires) and nothing it actively being done to improve them how is the situation ever to improve?

 

Edit: I shared above how Kennesaw State has seen a recent boom in enrollment and what has followed was an increase in athletics. If we want a healthy athletic department, we need a more financially sound academic institution. What I would have to hear about is how are they rapidly increasing their enrollments and is there anything they're doing that we can replicate.

Edited 3 hours ago by kreed5120

[exit322]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

 

The first part of correcting a problem is admitting there is one to begin with. I don't think there is much mistaking the fact that the decision makers at the top are the ones who over the last ~25 years put us in a strain both financially and athletically.

 

But no let's continue to deny there are any deeper problems. After all we're apparently to some just 1 coach away from from winning 10 games each year and winning the MAC championship for the next decade. Maybe even sneak into the playoffs once or twice.

 

It's literally insanity to just keep going down the same road of bringing in coaches without also attempting to address the deeper concerns that are facing the program.

 

You mention all Duke's, Kansas, etc of the world. I'm willing to bet all those programs can at least afford a training table for their athletes and probably have money for proper nutrition plans. If you're not holding the administration accountable for things, including the Icoach and Arth hires) and nothing it actively being done to improve them how is the situation ever to improve?

 

Edit: I shared above how Kennesaw State has seen a recent boom in enrollment and what has followed was an increase in athletics. If we want a healthy athletic department, we need a more financially sound academic institution. What I would have to hear about is how are they rapidly increasing their enrollments and is there anything they're doing that we can replicate.

Yep, like you said, it's completely impossible and we should enjoy the miracle five win seasons we get on occasion.  You nailed it.  Completely hopeless.

[kreed5120]

16 minutes ago, exit322 said:

Yep, like you said, it's completely impossible and we should enjoy the miracle five win seasons we get on occasion.  You nailed it.  Completely hopeless.

Like you said before coaches fixes all problems. Nothing else matters. 3-peat national championship incoming. Start organizing the parade.

Edited 1 hour ago by kreed5120