Moorhead 2024 make or break season to keep job?

[GP1]

26 minutes ago, MangoZip said:

I’ve heard this training table story a few times on here, is this confirmed? What did they have vs what do they have now? 

I remember CK posting something. I trust him. 

[ZippyRulz]

4 hours ago, MangoZip said:

I’ve heard this training table story a few times on here, is this confirmed? What did they have vs what do they have now? 

 

Not sure what they had before but I heard it's now all you can eat Arby's. But seriously, it's a recruiting & retention issue, not a training issue.

Edited October 8 by ZippyRulz

[egregiousbob]

Even with the cuts, the football program is funded at a level commensurate with many other MAC programs. 

 

If this season continues to disappoint, I definitely could see Moorhead seeking an escape clause. The reality in today's environment is that he will likely lose the program's most promising players to the portal after the season. Kickers will definitely get scooped up with NIL-laden offers.  Most likely best linemen on O and D would be gone as well. In this new reality, MAC coaches must use their scarce NIL funds to retain players, and it's simply not enough to hold on to your stars. Ohio lost 50 players to the portal following a 10-win season. I sense Moorhead is looking for light at the end of the tunnel and it's not going to be at Akron or any other MAC program.  Plus, isn't his son in his senior year of high school?  No reason for staying in this region.  Whatever the cause, I have sensed a lack of "fire" from Moorhead thus far -- he's either physically exhausted or simply frustrated beyond hope.

 

If he leaves or is let go, I predict JD will be elevated to head coach as a convenient, semi-safe, cost saving move. Budgets aren't going to rise any time soon -- and the program just might face another cut due to continued enrollment struggles.

 

Edited October 8 by egregiousbob

[MangoZip]

His son is a Junior, it might be the only thing that keeps him here another year 

[Head coach Huell Jackson]

38 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

Even with the cuts, the football program is funded at a level commensurate with many other MAC programs. 

 

If this season continues to disappoint, I definitely could see Moorhead seeking an escape clause. The reality in today's environment is that he will likely lose the program's most promising players to the portal after the season. Kickers will definitely get scooped up with NIL-laden offers.  Most likely best linemen on O and D would be gone as well. In this new reality, MAC coaches must use their scarce NIL funds to retain players, and it's simply not enough to hold on to your stars. Ohio lost 50 players to the portal following a 10-win season. I sense Moorhead is looking for light at the end of the tunnel and it's not going to be at Akron or any other MAC program.  Plus, isn't his son in his senior year of high school?  No reason for staying in this region.  Whatever the cause, I have sensed a lack of "fire" from Moorhead thus far -- he's either physically exhausted or simply frustrated beyond hope.

 

If he leaves or is let go, I predict JD will be elevated to head coach as a convenient, semi-safe, cost saving move. Budgets aren't going to rise any time soon -- and the program just might face another cut due to continued enrollment struggles.

 

JD being promoted would be awful for this program my god.. we're talking about someone who not only would be so out of his league when it comes to NIl and the current NCAA landscape, but someone who wasn't even in touch with the previous era. I mean folks, it was 2011 when he last had a coaching job and mid 2000's as head coach. 

[MangoZip]

16 minutes ago, Head coach Huell Jackson said:

JD being promoted would be awful for this program my god.. we're talking about someone who not only would be so out of his league when it comes to NIl and the current NCAA landscape, but someone who wasn't even in touch with the previous era. I mean folks, it was 2011 when he last had a coaching job and mid 2000's as head coach. 

You may be right, but stating that him not knowing NIL is a reason is so irrelevant.  It’s pretty simple to learn about NIL at Akron, there is none. Notta,  zero, zilch. Pretty easy to learn how that works.

Edited October 8 by MangoZip

[Head coach Huell Jackson]

Just now, MangoZip said:

You may be right, but stating that him not knowing NIL is a reason is so irrelevant.  It’s pretty simple to learn about NIL at Akron, there is none. Notta,  zero, zilch. Pretty easy to learn how that works.

Okay thats a fair point 😂

[clarkwgriswold]

1 hour ago, egregiousbob said:

 Most likely best linemen on O and D would be gone as well.

From what I have seen the "linemen on O" would retreat to junior college or give up the game all together.

[Spin]

The way I look at it is this is year 3 for JoMo. His early HS recruits are now Juniors and we're 1-5 (0-2). Is there any indication that they will become competitive before next season starts? Are his transfers paying off? Is there an NIL budget?

 

We're at the point where even a mediocre season next year would be a huge improvement.

[catdaddyp]

42 minutes ago, Spin said:

The way I look at it is this is year 3 for JoMo. His early HS recruits are now Juniors and we're 1-5 (0-2). Is there any indication that they will become competitive before next season starts? Are his transfers paying off? Is there an NIL budget?

 

We're at the point where even a mediocre season next year would be a huge improvement.

There is no NIL budget.

 

2022 Freshmen Still on the Team:

LB - Bryan McCoy (2023 All-MAC)

WR - Bobby Golden (Starter)

OL - Keylen Davis (Starter)

OL - Tyhler Williams (Starter)

RB - Charles Kellom (Part-Time Starter)

DT - Kiawan Murphy (Two Deep)

 

Transfer Portal Additions still on the Team:

WR - Alex Adams (2022 All-MAC, but has been plagued by injuries since)

CB - Devontae Golden-Nelson (Starter)

 

JUCO Addition still on the Team:

LB - Antavious Fish (Starter)

 

 

2022 Freshmen No Longer on the Team:

OL - Ki’Marii Landers (Part-Time Starter)

QB - Dijon Jennings

RB - Anthony Stallworth

TE - Marquell Darnell

OL - Jourden Hale

LB - Jaharon Griffin 

 

Transfer Portal Additions No Longer on the Team: 

( * has been placed beside players who have exhausted their eligibility)

WR - Daniel George (2023 All-MAC) *

WR - Shocky Jaquel-Louis (2022 All-MAC) *

OL - Anthony Whigan (2022 All-MAC) *

S - Kerry Martin (2023 All-MAC)

TE - TJ Banks (Starter) *

DE - Victor Jones (Starter)*

DT - Curtis Harper (Starter) *

DT - Ravontae Holt (Starter) *

QB - Jeff Undercuffler (Part-Time Starter) *

RB - Clyde Price (Part-Time Starter)

RB - Cam Wiley (Part-Time Starter)

OL - Max Banes (Part-Time Starter)

LB - Tim Terry (Part-Time Starter)*

S - Nate Thompson (Part-Time Starter)*

DT - Devon Robinson (Two Deep)

S - Jaden Woods (Two Deep)

TE - Caden Clark

 

JUCO Additions No Longer on the Team:

WR - Caleb Anderson (Two Deep)

DT - Kyle Thomas (Two Deep)

CB - Cam Threatt

 

 

Losing 11 one score games is being competitive in those game, It’s just not winning.

 

 

 

[Kangaroo Craig]

No. They cannot afford to pay him to not be here. Even if they could, who would want to come here to replace him? Whoever it is, they need to figure out how to recruit offensive linemen. THIS position group has been garbage for as long as I can remember. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

Not great, Bob. 

[Head coach Huell Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Not great, Bob. 

Joe took over the second-worst offense in the country and after 3 years of hard work, dedication, long hours and millions in University funding, he transformed them into the fourth-worst offense in the country.  

 

Truly Magnificent 

[catdaddyp]

41 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Not great, Bob. 

Here’s a further breakdown:

 

Vs P4:

Outscored 50.3 - 10

Yardage 489.3 - 212.6

 

Vs Non-P4

Outscored 27.7 - 21.2

Yardage 364 - 354

 

[Head coach Huell Jackson]

1 minute ago, catdaddyp said:

Here’s a further breakdown:

 

Vs P4:

Outscored 50.3 - 10

Yardage 489.3 - 212.6

 

Vs Non-P4

Outscored 27.7 - 21.2

Yardage 364 - 354

 

Would love to see how this compares to each of the last 5 zips seasons. 

[catdaddyp]

51 minutes ago, Head coach Huell Jackson said:

Would love to see how this compares to each of the last 5 zips seasons. 

It’s too big of time suck for me to go back and do all 5 years, but here are the 2021 stats (Arth’s 3rd year) vs the 2024 stats (Moorhead’s 3rd year).

 

Arth

Vs P4:

Outscored 59.5 - 8.5

Yardage 617.5 - 208.5

 

Vs Non-P4:

Outscored 35.5 - 22.1

Yardage 437.4 - 356.6

 

 

Moorhead

Vs P4:

Outscored 50.3 - 10

Yardage 489.3 - 212.6

 

Vs Non-P4

Outscored 27.7 - 21.2

Yardage 364 - 354

 

 

The caveats here are that the 2024 team played 3 Power games and the 2021 team played 2. Also, Arth did not finish out the final 3 games of 2021. And there’s always a chance the last 5 games of 2024 alter the 2024 stats.

 

On the surface, there is little difference in the offensive numbers. Defensively is where there is a substantial difference.

 

 

Edit - Might as well further this comparison:

 

Arth:

Wins: 3

One Score Wins: 0

One Score Losses: 3

 

Moorhead:

Wins: 5

One Score Wins: 3

One Score Losses: 11

 

 

Edited October 14 by catdaddyp

[kreed5120]

51 minutes ago, catdaddyp said:

 

On the surface, there is little difference in the offensive numbers. Defensively is where there is a substantial difference.

Which is pretty shocking considering Moorhead has coached the offensive side of the ball virtually all of his entire career.

Edited October 14 by kreed5120

[catdaddyp]

18 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

Which is pretty shocking considering Moorhead has coached the offensive side of the ball virtually all of his entire career.

Yeah, one would think with all the All-MAC players Moorhead has had on that side of the ball, the offensive numbers would be higher.

Moorhead:

QB - Irons

WR - SJL

WR - Adams

WR - George

WR - Gathings

OL - Whigan

*WR Norton, TE Newell, and OL Blanchard will likely make it this year.

 

Arth:

RB - Dollard

WR - Mumpfield

TE - Brank

 

Edited October 14 by catdaddyp

[MangoZip]

https://herosports.com/fbs-joe-moorhead-hot-seat-candidates-akron-football-head-coach-replacement-cpcp/

 

Joe on the hot seat and possible replacements

Edited October 17 by MangoZip

[GP1]

5 minutes ago, MangoZip said:

https://herosports.com/fbs-joe-moorhead-hot-seat-candidates-akron-football-head-coach-replacement-cpcp/

 

Joe on the hot seat and possible replacements

Lazy journalism, if you want to call it journalism at all. 

 

Charlie has a good life in Miami. Why trade that for Akron?

 

Luke would take a huge pay while trading Last Vegas for Akron. 

 

The others are names pulled out of a hat. 

[catdaddyp]

29 minutes ago, MangoZip said:

https://herosports.com/fbs-joe-moorhead-hot-seat-candidates-akron-football-head-coach-replacement-cpcp/

 

Joe on the hot seat and possible replacements

All those guys, outside of Frye, would take a pay cut coming to Akron. And I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance Frye would come after having a realistic conversation with Moorhead about the state of program and expectations. If Moorhead is let go after this season, might as well start looking towards the FCS and lower ranks as no one worth their salt at the FBS level will take this job. They’ll realize the expectations are to win immediately, while having a shell of a budget to work with, and expected to win against P4 competition. After all, this thread was started during our midst of P4 competition. They’ll also have to refill the roster all over again as most of the talent that has been collected by Moorhead will surely bolt.
 

Moorhead took over the worst roster in the FBS and has had 2 true full recruiting cycles. The first was hastily put together and It’s amazing he was able to pull in the guys he did to begin with. That said, we only have 8 players left from that class and only 2 players from the Arth regime are even starting for us.

 

Should we have more wins? Absolutely. But we also had 3 losses built in this year. I do want to see a few wins to close out the season to show some progress in the win column.

 

For anyone who believes it can’t get worse and have forgotten the path this program was on under Arth, here are his 2022 commitments and what they’ve gone on to do:

QB - Amari Jones = Signed with FIU. He is still at FIU and has played a total of 10 snaps on offense.

WR - Eric Holley = Signed with Toledo. Still at Toledo and is a backup.

WR - Rahsan Murray = Signed with DII Cal (PA) Vulcans. Still at Cal and is a backup DB.

OL - Van Keen = Signed with Youngstown State. He is still at YSU and became a starter this year.

CB - Keyone Nixon = Signed with Morgan State. Currently N/A.

S - Montarious Reed = Signed with Western Illinois. Currently at a JUCO.

 

Edited October 17 by catdaddyp

[UA1996MAENG]

19 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Lazy journalism, if you want to call it journalism at all. 

 

Charlie has a good life in Miami. Why trade that for Akron?

 

Luke would take a huge pay while trading Last Vegas for Akron. 

 

The others are names pulled out of a hat. 

If we are pulling names out of a hat I want the guy who has proven he can turn around specifically a G5 team with no tradition and no money: Jerry Kill. What he did at New Mexico State was nothing short of a miracle; we see what happened to NMSU right after he left. For many reasons Kill isn't going to coach again, but at this point UA can't miss again on this hire (whenever that may be whether in a few weeks or in two years). The new guy has to fit the Jerry Kill profile.  I don't see our fellow alumni, Getsy and Frye, fitting that mold.

[GP1]

If Joe wants to coach another year at Akron, the job is his. 

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, GP1 said:

Lazy journalism, if you want to call it journalism at all. 

 

Charlie has a good life in Miami. Why trade that for Akron?

 

Luke would take a huge pay while trading Last Vegas for Akron. 

 

The others are names pulled out of a hat. 

Not to mention, Luke played under Moorhead and was a coach on his staff. In a situation where Moorhead voluntarily leaves, Getsy might be a candidate. I don't see him wanting to usurp one of his mentors.

[GP1]

12 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

Not to mention, Luke played under Moorhead and was a coach on his staff. In a situation where Moorhead voluntarily leaves, Getsy might be a candidate. I don't see him wanting to usurp one of his mentors.

In addition, his estimated salary at LC is $1.5 million per year. On what planet does he leave the NFL for a coach killing school like Akron?