TennZip Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 (edited) Under the Big East Update, someone asked if the Zips could still get a top 16 seed if they lose to Georgetown on Thursday. I thought it would be good ....to look at where the zips currently stand. The zips were 29 in RPI at the start of the day. Western Michigan losing in their conference quarterfinals to Evansville ...badly hurt the zips in RPI Cleveland State lost in their conference QF's to Green Bay. The zips are currently 32 in RPI. ...as of 11:45 pm on Sunday night Don't get me wrong.....Based on the last 11 games, the zips deserve to be a top 16 seed. Sadly, IU-Indy and Temple are dragging them down now. If the zips beat Georgetown and Providence to win the big east tourney, they definitely deserve to be a top 16 seed. But , it will be tough to jump from 32 into the top 16. Let's look at the non-league schedule of the zips ....and current records and current RPI I think that Ohio State and St. Francis are the only teams that are still playing in their conference tourneys Ohio State is 1 in current RPI....will play Michigan for conference tourney title Western Michigan is currently 30 Notre Dame is currently #47 and will not make the NCAA tourney When the Zips played VCU, VCU was #13 in the country VCU ended the year 4-6-7 and is currently #59 in RPI Cleveland State finished their year 7-7-3 and is currently #89 in RPI Temple ended their year 5-7-3 and currently #108 St. Francis is still playing ...they are 7-6-2 and are at #114 Wright State ended the year 7-9-2 and are #141 IU Indy finished with a record of 5-9-3 and are currently #156 The 48 team tournament field is comprised of 22 automatic conference bids and 26 at large bids. I used Gaucho Dan's conference RPI rank.......to look at the 22 automatic conference bids https://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/search/label/Conference RPI Rank he ranks the conferences 1 to 22 I will list the conferences from 22 to 1........ I think that there are 10 conferences that will almost certainly have only 1 bid Metro Atlantic is ranked 22 4 teams left in the semis Rider 85 ; Iona 99 ; Siena 139 Marist 158 Ohio Valley Conference is ranked 21 4 teams left in the semis SIUE 76 ; Lindenwood 128 ; HCU 164 ; UIW 174 Northeast is ranked 20 4 teams left in the semis...including a zips opponent Mercyhurst 111 ; St. Francis 114 ; LIU 130 ; Fairleigh Dickinson 138 Atlantic Sun is ranked 19 4 teams play in Semis Monday night Central Arkansas 137 ; N. FLA 152 ; Stetson 157 ; Fla Gulf Coast 185 Patriot League -is 18....4 teams left Colgate 116 ; Bucknell 123 ; American 125 ; Boston U 165 Big South is ranked 17 High Point at 39 will play Gardner Webb (66) for the conference title WAC is ranked 16 San Diego State 46 ; Seattle 58 ; San Jose State 166 ; Utah Tech 172 Horizon League is number 15 Oakland 101 ; Milwaukee 103 ; Green Bay 106 ; Robert Morris 122 Southern Conference is ranked number 14.....they are a long shot to get 2 teams into the tourney Furman is 69 in RPI and they will play ETSU (#105) for the league's automatic bid North Carolina Greensboro lost on PK's to Furman.......Greensboro is currently #36... I would think that they would drop during the week......and not get an at large bid Big West is ranked 13 #35 Cal Santa Barbara will play #65 UC Davis for league's automatic bid if Santa Barbara does not win, will they get an at large? Ivy League is ranked #12....they will definitely get 2 teams... if one of the 2 underdogs wins, they could get 3 teams in semis = #5 Penn vs. #77 Brown #19 Cornell vs. #41 Princeton West Coast Conference is ranked #11 they do not do a conference tournament...but 2 teams will likely get in San Diego is the favorite to win the league...they are 6-1-0 and play #124 Loyola Marymount in last regular season league game San Diego is currently #21 in RPI Oregon State is currently 5-1-1 ...they play #86 Portland in league game Oregon State is currently #20 in RPI American Athletic is ranked #10 semis - #34 Charlotte vs. #97 S. Florida #67 FIU vs. #98 Memphis Charlotte probably needs to win the tournament to get in American East is ranked #9 If Vermont does not win the league, will they get in semis - Vermont #28 vs. #84 UMBC #43 New Hampshire vs. #62 Bryant Atlantic 10 is ranked #8...they will get at least 2 teams in...possibly more semis - #11 Dayton vs. #29 Fordham #38 George Mason vs. #49 St. Louis UMass is currently #22 in RPI their season has ended as they lost on PKs to St. Louis in conference quarters Missouri Valley is ranked #7 If Missouri State does not win the tourney, that will really hurt teams on the bubble semis - #7 Missouri State vs. #82 Evansville #40 Drake vs. #60 Bowling Green Western Michigan is currently #30....their season ended 2-1 in double OT to Evansville Coastal Athletic is ranked #6 again, bubble teams...desperately want Hofstra to win Tourney final - #4 Hofstra vs. #73 UNCW Big East is ranked #5....bubble teams are rooting against St. John's semis - #16 Providence vs #71 St. Johns #10 Georgetown vs. # 32 Akron Sun Belt is #4....bubble teams want either Marshall or West Virginia to win the league semis - #13 Marshall vs #64 James Madison #15 West Virginia vs. #63 Kentucky Surprisingly, the Summit League is ranked #3 for conferences the final will be played on the 16th #2 Denver will play #37 Kansas City if Kansas City were to upset Denver, I would guess that they would move into the 20's for RPI Denver is obviously a lock for the NCAA The big Ten is #2 rated as a conference league final - #1 Ohio State vs #27 Michigan Indiana is currently #18...they lost to Michigan in conference QF Maryland is currently #24 in RPI.....they supposedly have a lot of players injured...they lost 6-0 to UCLA in conference quarters Washington is currently #25 in RPI...lost to Ohio State in league semis UCLA is definitely a bubble team...they are currently #33 in RPI....lost on PK's in semis to Michigan as you would expect, the ACC is ranked #1...... they probably expect to have 10 teams in the tournament lots of upsets in their conference tournament #9 conference seed Virginia and #11 seed California are in the semis semis - Virginia finishes 9th in league...they are currently #6 in RPI and will play #23 Wake Forest #14 Clemson will face #26 Cal in other semi Pitt is currently #3 in RPI...they won regular season but lost in quarters today to Virginia Duke is currently #8 in RPI...they were 3 seed in conference tourney...but lost in quarters today to California SMU is currently #12 in RPI...they lost on PK's today to Wake Forest North Carolina is #17...they lost in tourney round of 16 to California Stanford is currently #9 in RPI.....they lost in quarters to Clemson I don't think that NC State deserves to be in tourney...but their RPI is currently higher than Akron NC State is 31....they lost in round of 16 to Virginia I will post this now....will try to do a 2nd post ...before I call it a night Edited Sunday at 08:29 PM by TennZip 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 Ok.....you have read all that.... like me...you probably wonder where the cutoff point is.... let's find out together I am not a predictor.... for this purpose, I am going to say the highest RPI team(still playing) wins the conference tourney (yes, I know that means that I list Georgetown rather than Akron)...... but I need to be consistent I am going to use San Diego as winning their last game and getting bid....they have lower RPI than Oregon State but they should beat LMU 22 conference automatics 22. Metro Rider 85 21. OVC SIUE 76 20. Northeast Mercyhurst 111 19. Atlantic Sun Central Arkansas 137 18. Patriot Colgate 116 17. Big South High Point 39 16. WAC San Diego State 46 15. Horizon Oakland 101 14. Southern Furman 69 13. Big West Cal Santa Barbara 35 12. Ivy League Penn 5 11. West Coast San Diego 21 10. American Ath Charlotte 34 9. American East Vermont 28 8. Atlantic 10 Dayton 11 7. MVC Missouri St 7 6. Coastal Athl Hofstra 4 5. Big East Georgetown 10 4. Sun Belt Marshall 13 3. Summit Denver 2 2. Big Ten Ohio State 1 1. ACC Virginia 6 Ok.....I am wearing down....but let me try to list the 26 at large in ascending order please let me know if you spot any logic errors 1. Pitt #3 2. Duke #8 3. Stanford #9 4. SmU #12 5. Clemson #14 6. West Virginia #15..........WVU is the first non ACC team listed 7. Providence #16 8. North Carolina #17 9. Indiana #18 10. Cornell #19 11. Oregon State #20 12. UMass #22 13. Wake Forest #23 14. Maryland #24 15. Washington #25 16. Cal #26 17. Michigan #27 18. Fordham #29 19. Western Michigan #30 20. NC State #31 21. Akron #32 22. UCLA #33 23. UNC-Greensboro #36 24. Kansas City #37 25. George Mason #38 26. Drake #40 last 5 out Princeton #41 Wisconsin #42 New Hampshire #43 VA Tech #44 Northwestern #45 Princeton and New Hampshire would probably move up if they won in the semis and lost in the finals 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 If you can do his for basketball you could make a living at it! lol. Mahalo nui loa! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reslife4Life Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Let’s just steamroll Georgetown and then we won’t have to worry about it 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsrule Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 8 hours ago, TennZip said: Ok.....you have read all that.... like me...you probably wonder where the cutoff point is.... let's find out together I am not a predictor.... for this purpose, I am going to say the highest RPI team(still playing) wins the conference tourney (yes, I know that means that I list Georgetown rather than Akron)...... but I need to be consistent I am going to use San Diego as winning their last game and getting bid....they have lower RPI than Oregon State but they should beat LMU 22 conference automatics 22. Metro Rider 85 21. OVC SIUE 76 20. Northeast Mercyhurst 111 19. Atlantic Sun Central Arkansas 137 18. Patriot Colgate 116 17. Big South High Point 39 16. WAC San Diego State 46 15. Horizon Oakland 101 14. Southern Furman 69 13. Big West Cal Santa Barbara 35 12. Ivy League Penn 5 11. West Coast San Diego 21 10. American Ath Charlotte 34 9. American East Vermont 28 8. Atlantic 10 Dayton 11 7. MVC Missouri St 7 6. Coastal Athl Hofstra 4 5. Big East Georgetown 10 4. Sun Belt Marshall 13 3. Summit Denver 2 2. Big Ten Ohio State 1 1. ACC Virginia 6 Ok.....I am wearing down....but let me try to list the 26 at large in ascending order please let me know if you spot any logic errors 1. Pitt #3 2. Duke #8 3. Stanford #9 4. SmU #12 5. Clemson #14 6. West Virginia #15..........WVU is the first non ACC team listed 7. Providence #16 8. North Carolina #17 9. Indiana #18 10. Cornell #19 11. Oregon State #20 12. UMass #22 13. Wake Forest #23 14. Maryland #24 15. Washington #25 16. Cal #26 17. Michigan #27 18. Fordham #29 19. Western Michigan #30 20. NC State #31 21. Akron #32 22. UCLA #33 23. UNC-Greensboro #36 24. Kansas City #37 25. George Mason #38 26. Drake #40 last 5 out Princeton #41 Wisconsin #42 New Hampshire #43 VA Tech #44 Northwestern #45 Princeton and New Hampshire would probably move up if they won in the semis and lost in the finals Thanks for posting (out of likes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fknbuflobo Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 According to Gaucho Dan, cut line this year will be 35-37 range. He is never far off the mark on such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips1991 Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 1 hour ago, fknbuflobo said: According to Gaucho Dan, cut line this year will be 35-37 range. He is never far off the mark on such things. We would probably stay above that line even with a loss on Thursday, I would think. Considering the high RPI of Georgetown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zips1991 said: We would probably stay above that line even with a loss on Thursday, I would think. Considering the high RPI of Georgetown. At this point, the only scenario I can envision in which we do not get in to the tournament is by losing to Georgetown by two or more and then Georgetown losing and not playing well in the final. We are afterall, the Big East regular season champions, and we've not lost (thus far) in about thirteen games. (I am too lazy to review the schedule and figure out the exact number.) Edited November 12 by UAZipster0305 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 The total is now eleven games unbeaten. The last loss was on Sep. 14 to Temple. 🏆 anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 14 Author Report Share Posted November 14 Wednesday night tournament games....and impact on NCAA At large bids...and RPI Sunbelt Conference The two high ranked teams will meet in the conference final #15 RPI West Virginia defeated #63 Kentucky 2-1 #13 RPI Marshall won 1-0 against #64 James Madison Missouri Valley Conference The RPI cut line for at large dropped by 1.....tonight as #7 Missouri State will not get the MVC automatic bid #82 Evansville upset #7 Missouri State 1-0 #60 Bowling Green defeated #40 Drake 1-0 Atlantic 10 #11 Dayton won 2-0 against #29 Fordham #49 St. Louis defeated #38 George Mason 2-1 George Mason and Drake were the last 2 at large teams making the cut when I posted an update early Monday morning. with their semifinal losses tonight, they are both probably done for an at large bid Dayton will get a spot in the tournament whether they win or lose against St. Louis. you will see below...that St. Louis jumped into the mid 30's with tonight's win american East #28 Vermont avoided a huge upset with a 2-1 double overtime win over #84 UMBC #62 Bryant and #43 New Hampshire were tied 0-0 after 110 minutes Bryant advanced to the final on PK's there were a few games on Monday and Tuesday..that had a mild impact on the RPI's from early Monday morning NC State was 31 on early Morning....Akron was 32 on early Morning when I looked at RPI's after Monday and Tuesday games...Akron was 31...and NC State was 32 Notable changes after tonight's games involving ranked teams tonight Dayton RPI improved from 11.....up to #6 Missouri State dropped from #7 to #10 With Dayton jumping in the rating, Georgetown dropped from #10 to #11 Marshall improved to #12 in RPI West Virginia improved to #14 in RPI Vermont improved from #28 to #26 Despite the loss, Fordham stayed at #29...after facing high RPI Dayton Western Michigan is still at 30 after tonight's game...and Akron is still at #31 ST. Louis jumped from #49 to #35 after tonight's semifinal win With their loss tonight, George Mason dropped from #38 to #40 Drake dropped from 40 to #43 New Hampshire PK loss saw them drop only spot...now at #44 Bowling Green improved from #60 to #50 In their last games, Evansville has upset Western Michigan and Missouri State their win tonight jumped Evansville from #82 to #57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips1991 Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 12 minutes ago, TennZip said: Wednesday night tournament games....and impact on NCAA At large bids...and RPI Sunbelt Conference The two high ranked teams will meet in the conference final #15 RPI West Virginia defeated #63 Kentucky 2-1 #13 RPI Marshall won 1-0 against #64 James Madison Missouri Valley Conference The RPI cut line for at large dropped by 1.....tonight as #7 Missouri State will not get the MVC automatic bid #82 Evansville upset #7 Missouri State 1-0 #60 Bowling Green defeated #40 Drake 1-0 Atlantic 10 #11 Dayton won 2-0 against #29 Fordham #49 St. Louis defeated #38 George Mason 2-1 George Mason and Drake were the last 2 at large teams making the cut when I posted an update early Monday morning. with their semifinal losses tonight, they are both probably done for an at large bid Dayton will get a spot in the tournament whether they win or lose against St. Louis. you will see below...that St. Louis jumped into the mid 30's with tonight's win american East #28 Vermont avoided a huge upset with a 2-1 double overtime win over #84 UMBC #62 Bryant and #43 New Hampshire were tied 0-0 after 110 minutes Bryant advanced to the final on PK's there were a few games on Monday and Tuesday..that had a mild impact on the RPI's from early Monday morning NC State was 31 on early Morning....Akron was 32 on early Morning when I looked at RPI's after Monday and Tuesday games...Akron was 31...and NC State was 32 Notable changes after tonight's games involving ranked teams tonight Dayton RPI improved from 11.....up to #6 Missouri State dropped from #7 to #10 With Dayton jumping in the rating, Georgetown dropped from #10 to #11 Marshall improved to #12 in RPI West Virginia improved to #14 in RPI Vermont improved from #28 to #26 Despite the loss, Fordham stayed at #29...after facing high RPI Dayton Western Michigan is still at 30 after tonight's game...and Akron is still at #31 ST. Louis jumped from #49 to #35 after tonight's semifinal win With their loss tonight, George Mason dropped from #38 to #40 Drake dropped from 40 to #43 New Hampshire PK loss saw them drop only spot...now at #44 Bowling Green improved from #60 to #50 In their last games, Evansville has upset Western Michigan and Missouri State their win tonight jumped Evansville from #82 to #57 Excellent breakdown and gives some clarity on our situation. Should we view Fordham's situation of losing to a high RPI and staying in the same ranking as something we could expect if we lost to Georgetown tomorrow? I hate to keep bringing up the possibility of a loss but I'm naturally pessimistic. LOL If so, we would be in with a loss but would likely be on the road in the first round. A win and we are likely at least home in the first round, if not into a first round bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 14 Author Report Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, Zips1991 said: Excellent breakdown and gives some clarity on our situation. Should we view Fordham's situation of losing to a high RPI and staying in the same ranking as something we could expect if we lost to Georgetown tomorrow? I hate to keep bringing up the possibility of a loss but I'm naturally pessimistic. LOL If so, we would be in with a loss but would likely be on the road in the first round. A win and we are likely at least home in the first round, if not into a first round bye. Good observation on Fordham....and good question. @fknbuflobo has often mentioned how Gaucho Dan is an absolute guru about RPI. It is safe to say that Gaucho Dan knows 1,000 times more about RPI than I do. Many rabid and knowledgeable college soccer fans post on a blog called Big Soccer college forum (I do not have an ID on that forum and do not post). Gaucho Dan earlier this week did a deep dive into RPI on big soccer college forum. After his initial post, another poster asked Gaucho Dan ( I added "of the tournament "..in brackets to give question some context.) I have attached a link below to Gaucho Dan deep dive Question by user: Could Akron fall out (of the tournament) with a semifinal loss (to Georgetown)? as I said , Gaucho Dan understands much better than I do....how Strength of schedule (SOS) and Opponent Strength of Schedule (OSS) impact RPI. Gaucho Dan answer to question on Akron: Akron's RPI will not suffer with a semifinal loss to Georgetown. Notice the projected SOS and OSS numbers on Akron's team page improve with the addition of G'town: that's 75% of the RPI formula. TennZip....I have never been to Akron's team page on Gaucho Dan's live rankings to look at Projected SOS and OSS numbers but I trust and like what Gaucho Dan is saying. Another important thing to remember about RPI......when it comes to tournament games A win by Akron in regular time.....or in sudden death overtime....counts as a win in the regular season record....and in RPI calculation Conversely, a loss by Akron in Regular time .....or in suddent death overtime.....counts as a loss in the regular season record and in RPI calculation Akron's current record is 11-3-4. if Georgetown and Akron are tied after 110 minutes, Akron's record after the game will be 11-3-5......no matter who wins on PK's @fknbuflobo ; @Zip_ME87 @YipaZip - you 3 are probably more knowledgeable than I am...about RPI Please correct me if the 2 statements below are wrong.... if Akron wins on PK's , they will not move up as much in RPI...as they would with a win in the first 90 minutes or 109 minutes Conversely, if Georgetown were to win on PK's, Akron would do much better than a straight loss in regulation as the record would reflect a tie against a high RPI team link to Big Soccer Deep Dive https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/rpi-deep-dive-in-final-week-of-season.2133272/ link to Gaucho Dan live RPI rankings https://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/search/label/RPI Rank 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 #34 Charlotte def. S. Florida 1-0 in their conference semi Charlotte up to #29 in RPI as of 7:45 on Thursday LIU def. Zip in season opponent...St. Francis 4-1 with Charlotte moving up from #34 to #29, Zips drop from #31 to #32 (as of 7:45) Providence win over #73 St. Johns moves them from 16 to 14 Georgetown had tied Providence during the season Providence win tonight helps Georgetown go from #11 to #10 #23 Wake Forest is pounding #6 (as of Monday morning) Virginia 5-1 at 77 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC ZIP Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 Zips drop two spots to #34 in rpi. A St Louis loss in a10 final is necessary I think to keep the Zips in the at large bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 Georgetown jumps up to #5 in RPI. Wake Forest 5-1 win over Virginia.....improves them from #23 on Monday to #15 as of 10:50 pm .....on Thursday Virginia drops from 6 on Monday to #10 tonight Clemson edges California 3-2 Clemson was 14 on Monday....they are still at 14 after the win California was 26....on Monday...loss drops them to 29 as of 10:50 Cal finishes the regular season with a 8-8-2 record they were the 11 seed in the ACC tournament Cal was 5-7-2 before getting wins against Stanford, North Carolina and Duke Akron strength of schedule(SOS) was 85 before tonight's game after the game, SOS for Akron was 76 Akron opponent strength of schedule(OSS) was 30 before the game after the game, OSS was 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC ZIP Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 Not sure if it’s accurate but the guys on the ACC Network said that Cal has a losing record and is not eligible for the NCAA. One of their wins is against a Divison 2 team which doesn’t count and makes their record 7-8-2. That helps the Zips a tiny bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 8 minutes ago, NYC ZIP said: Not sure if it’s accurate but the guys on the ACC Network said that Cal has a losing record and is not eligible for the NCAA. One of their wins is against a Divison 2 team which doesn’t count and makes their record 7-8-2. That helps the Zips a tiny bit great observation.... they played the Dominican Penguins....and they are a division 2 school https://calbears.com/news/2024/9/16/mens-soccer-bears-thrash-penguins-5-0.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 the world's greatest expert....Gaucho Dan has confirmed that Cal at #29 in RPI....can not make the NCAA tournament Gaucho Dan : Clemson hung on to eliminate Cal and set up an ACC final with Wake Forest. Cal finishes with a losing record vs. Division I and is, thus, ineligible for the NCAA Tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyfan34 Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 42 minutes ago, NYC ZIP said: Zips drop two spots to #34 in rpi. A St Louis loss in a10 final is necessary I think to keep the Zips in the at large bid Zips are in and I think have a good shot at a home game in the first round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 I am going to get on my soapbox....... The NCAA soccer committee is supposed to consider strongly....how a team ended the year.... they are supposed to consider the team's last 8 games Let's do 2 comparisons for Akron vs. 2 teams above them in RPI Western Michigan - #30 in RPI currently vs. Akron #34 currently in RPI the two teams met during the season at Western Michigan....2 teams played to a tie Western Michigan - last 4 games of the season 0-0 tie with Bradley....Bradley had a record of 4-7-2 at that time 3-0 loss to Bowling Green.....Bowling Green was #60 in RPI when this week started 2-1 win over 7-10-0 UIC in the MVC conference quarterfinals, WMU lost 2-1 to Evansville (#82 in RPI at the start of the week) WMU did not even make the tournament semis in the MVC...the 7th toughest league.... Akron went 7-0-1 regular season in the Big East....the 5th toughest league... Akron lost in the semis in OT to the current #5 team in RPI in last 12 games, Akron was 10-1-1 ...with only loss coming to high RPI Georgetown If I am on NCAA committee, Akron gets in before Western Michigan (I might be a tad biased 😁)...but the eye test, and the logic favor Akron NC State - #32 currently in RPI vs. Akron #34 currently in RPI with Cal ineligible to get into the tournament, NC State would be the 9th ACC team in the 48 team field Do you take 8 at large teams from the ACC and snub the undefeated regular season champ from the Big East? To be politically correct, I say heck, no. NC State lost in the round of 16 in the ACC tournament let's look at end of the season results for NC State 3-2-3 record in the last 8 games 3-4-3 record in the last 10 games Same strengths for Akron ...10-1-1 in last 12....with one loss to #5 RPI team regular season undefeated Big East champs.... again, If I am on NCAA committee, Akron gets in before the 10th best team in the ACC (9th best team , Cal is not eligible) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 15 Author Report Share Posted November 15 OK.....more midnight ramblings from me..... Z.I.P. in Hawaii is probably the only one up reading this....... When I did my analysis on early Monday morning.......the cut line for getting into the tournament....was 40... since then, Missouri State was upset...we thought that dropped the cut line to #39 However, the very smart and alert NYCZIP let us know that current #29...Cal could not participate in the NCAA tourney that means that #40 George Mason is currently the last team in...... NYCZIP has done a few posts....where he points out that Akron fans....definitely want Dayton and Vermont and Charlotte to win their league title games Let's look at the key games.......where a team could steal a bid.....and hurt Akron's chances of getting in all rankings are as of midnight ...Friday morning...November 15th Summit League Saturday final #2 Denver vs. #38 Kansas City obviously, zips fans.....want Denver to win that game Coastal Athletic Saturday final #4 Hofstra vs. #76 UNCW a UNCW win would not help the Zips Ivy League - Friday night semifinals #6 Penn vs #79 Brown #20 Cornell vs. #44 Princeton Akron fans do not want Brown or Princeton to win the Ivy League title Big East - Friday night final I don't think that this will affect Akron at large status....but I will list it anyway I think that a Cal Santa Barbara loss...would cause them to drop many spots below Akron I think that UCSB only gets in by winning the league #36 Cal Santa Barbara vs. #69 UC Davis OK...down to 3 leagues....2 played their semis on Wednesday....other played semi on Thursday Finally, let's look at 3 conferences...where NYCZIP has already given us a headsup...on who to root for American East League final on Sunday #26 Vermont vs. #63 Bryant Atlantic 10 final on Sunday #7 Dayton vs. #37 St. Louis I agree with NYCZIP that St. Louis probably only gets in the tournament with a win in the final American Athletic final on Sunday #28 Charlotte vs #61 FIU if all 6 leagues (excluding the Big West) are won by Bid-stealers, the zips at #34....are probably in huge trouble for making the tournament It would help Akron to have Georgetown win the big EAST...as Akron played them twice and Akron did not play Providence Finally, let's look at some other teams currently around Akron's #34 in RPI I have already given my thoughts on #30 Western Michigan and #32 NC State #31 Fordham from the Atlantic 10 they lost in league semis to a very good Dayton team finished the season with a 8-5-5 record Fordham was 4-2-2 in last 8 games 5-3-4 in in last 12 games #35 UNC-Greensboro from the Southern Conference Southern Conference is the 14th ranked league UNC-G lost on PK's in conference semis #33 UCLA from the Big Ten finished their season with 7-5-6 record one of their wins is over Division 2 Westmont...so they are 6-5-6 for NCAA consideration lost in tournament semis on PK's to Michigan their RPI is propped up by #12 strength of schedule and #8 opponent strength of schedule they are being helped greatly by having a 2-1 win over Ohio State and a 0-0 tie with #2 Denver UCLA has a record of 3-2-3 in last 8 games Similar to Akron, they have a few losses to teams out of the top 40 3-1 loss to #89 Cal State Fullerton 1-0 loss to #80 Michigan State (MSU had 5-7-5 record) 4-1 loss to #46 Wisconsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips1991 Posted Friday at 04:22 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:22 PM I looked at all of this information independently last night before you posted this and came to roughly the same conclusion about the conference tourneys... There's about 7 tournaments we need to keep an eye on. And as long as 4 or more of them go our way, we should be in. Considering we're rooting for favorites, we have a good chance of that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC ZIP Posted Friday at 04:32 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:32 PM Just to keep everyone busy…. After the top 16 seeds are chosen, the remainder of the ncaa tournament field is scheduled around proximity of opponents. Using the current projected tournament field as a guide, here’s a list of Akron’s possible first round opponents. Robert Morris 100 miles (needs win vs Oakland) Bowling Green-145 miles (needs a win vs Evansville) Michigan - 189 miles Oakland - 220 miles (needs a win vs RM) Western Mich - 284 miles IU- 352 miles This also assumes that Ohio State (126 mi) Dayton (198 mi), Pitt (111 mi), West Virginia (176 mi) and Marshall (239 mi)all are in top 16. I’m cautiously optimistic we get good news Monday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted Friday at 04:39 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:39 PM I'd love for us to host IU or Michigan, and I think these outcomes are entirely possible. I don't think there is any way that we do not make the NCAAT. A few bad losses very early in the season leading to a misleadingly high RPI is the only thing that even makes us borderline. We are currently one of the best teams in the country and could make a deep run. IMO, there is no way the selection committee overlooks these things. We also no longer have the MAC as a terrible, no name conference as an excuse. The Big East is legit, and we are the regular season champions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reslife4Life Posted Friday at 04:50 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:50 PM One thing I don't understand, 3 years ago we played Santa Clara in the first round. How did that work out with proximity of opponents? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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