Staying Close to the Vest - Coach Groce-related News and Views

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

Multiple ND players just hit the portal. Growing sentiment that Shrewsberry is taking the Butler job.

[Westie]

That would be perfectly fanfreakintastic

[roopride]

What jobs still open that Groce would be seriously being considered for?

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Let'sGoZips94

[NWAkron]

Just now, roopride said:

What jobs still open that Groce would be seriously being considered for?

In a blink of an eye, Akron about to become NIU😉

[Let'sGoZips94]

1 minute ago, roopride said:

What jobs still open that Groce would be seriously being considered for?

 

After Butler, there are none. 

[kreed5120]

14 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Arizona State just hired 63 year old Randy Bennett whose resume is also questionable. 

 

Randy Bennett probably took St. Mary's as far as he could. I'm not sure if you've seen them play outside of the tournament, but they play in what looks like a high school gym and he built them into a consistent at-large caliber program.

 

I don't think ASU made that hire looking long-term. Probably more to right the ship and fix the culture mess that Hurley left behind. Perhaps making the job more attractive in 3-5 years for whoever they pivot to in the future.

[kreed5120]

8 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

After Butler, there are none. 

 

We'll have to see what ripple effects ND and potential UNC hiring have, but looking much better than 48 hours ago.

[zippy5]

30 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Arizona State just hired 63 year old Randy Bennett whose resume is also questionable. 

Never had a P5 job and won a tournament game last year

[zippy5]

7 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

We'll have to see what ripple effects ND and potential UNC hiring have, but looking much better than 48 hours ago.

Yes, these have been good developments for us.

[Let'sGoZips94]

5 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

Never had a P5 job and won a tournament game last year

 

10 years older than Groce and the same winning percentage in the NCAA Tournament. Very hard to say for certain Groce wouldn't appeal to a P4. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Let'sGoZips94

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

[UAZipster0305]

7 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

10 years older than Groce and the same winning percentage in the NCAA Tournament. Very hard to say for certain Groce wouldn't appeal to a P4. 

Again, if he had won an NCAAT game or two at Akron, yes. As it is now, I do not see it happening, and it's not a knock on Groce. We are lucky to have him. That's just the likely perspective of any P4 AD.

[NWAkron]

USF is also a prime landing spot.

[kreed5120]

3 minutes ago, UAZipster0305 said:

Again, if he had won an NCAAT game or two at Akron, yes. As it is now, I do not see it happening, and it's not a knock on Groce. We are lucky to have him. That's just the likely perspective of any P4 AD.

 

You don't have to get a NCAA Tournament win to get a P4 job. This offseason we've seen Casey Alexander take Kansas State job, McNamara get the Syracuse job, and Byran Hodgson take Providence job. None of them have an NCAA tournament win. 

 

In fact, with so much fewer mid-majors winning tournament games these days there is going to be fewer opportunities for P4 schools to hire the candidate that you described.

[Zippy87]

If Groce doesn't get offered the Butler job I expect him to commit to Akron and get to work on putting together next year's team. You never know the intentions of another person, but I think Butler is a unique opportunity in that it is close to home for him, a place he coached previously and is familiar with, and is still in the Midwest, where he has spent his entire coaching career. 

[kreed5120]

9 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

USF is also a prime landing spot.

 

I feel that job goes to Flynn Claymann.

[Zippy87]

2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

You don't have to get a NCAA Tournament win to get a P4 job. This offseason we've seen Casey Alexander take Kansas State job, McNamara get the Syracuse job, and Byran Hodgson take Providence job. None of them have an NCAA tournament win. 

 

In fact, with so much fewer mid-majors winning tournament games these days there is going to be fewer opportunities for P4 schools to hire the candidate that you described.

 

I do think his lack of success in his only P4 gig could potentially be held against him. That doesn't mean he can't be successful with a second chance - just saying it's possible that is something attached to him in these discussions. 

[kreed5120]

6 minutes ago, Zippy87 said:

 

I do think his lack of success in his only P4 gig could potentially be held against him. That doesn't mean he can't be successful with a second chance - just saying it's possible that is something attached to him in these discussions. 

 

I would agree his run at Illinois is the bigger deterrent. I was more commenting because I was pointing out that tournament wins is not a requirement to get a P4 job.

 

Steele's performance at Xavier is probably also why he wasn't taken as a more serious candidate. Had he went from assistant at Xavier to taking the Miami job and after 3 or 4 seasons put together the season he did I think given he is a Butler alum he would be the no brainer candidate.

[ZippyRulz]

3 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

Randy Bennett probably took St. Mary's as far as he could. I'm not sure if you've seen them play outside of the tournament, but they play in what looks like a high school gym and he built them into a consistent at-large caliber program.

 

 

Sounds really familiar.

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

13 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

Steele's performance at Xavier is probably also why he wasn't taken as a more serious candidate. Had he went from assistant at Xavier to taking the Miami job and after 3 or 4 seasons put together the season he did I think given he is a Butler alum he would be the no brainer candidate.

 

Steele's personality might have something to do with it, too. 

[kreed5120]

1 minute ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Steele's personality might have something to do with it, too. 

 

If Bobby Hurley can get a job anyone can.

[Zippy87]

 

Not great. 

[zippy5]

Outside of one tweet maybe? I haven't seen enough to be convinced that Groce is a serious candidate yet.

[Zippy87]

5 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

Outside of one tweet maybe? I haven't seen enough to be convinced that Groce is a serious candidate yet.

 

 

 

His non-answer to the ABJ + silence since then tells me he's a serious candidate.