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Well it seems like our 3 most impactful players from last year aren't going anywhere for the time being.

exciting day tomorrow....we get to see the schedule

Of all the options I have read in this thread, I like 2021 Arth replacing 2020 Arth the best.

He did nothing? He cost Akron the UAB game? Akron was going into the fourth quarter down 31-6.. Boogie didn’t play as much in 2020 because of a conflict with a coach.

3-5 would have been doable if we played YSU, UMASS, and NMSU like we were supposed to. I expect some progress next year, but just don't see us competing for the MAC (not that I'm saying anyone does). Not to mention we have a tough schedule. I think year 4 is the year we need to at minimum make a bowl game/be bowl eligible. If he can't get it then with a very experienced team and 2 more years to fill holes on the roster, I'd say its unlikely he ever will outside of a random season here and there, and if that was good enough, we would have kept Bowden.

Please keep the UC Bearcat football talk to a minimum.

always the cynic?

Translation- I didn't get the job.

You couldn’t be farther off, I like Boogie a lot, I have no relatives on the team but did during the Bowden era & don’t hate any coaches or players, just my opinions, sorry if you disagree

Remember in the “old days” when you’d be sweating out if players made grades or not? Now they all graduate in 3-4 years, and then get graduate degrees. Are “athletic-friendly” degrees and study tables hurting the Zips (and other programs)? The better the grades, the more likely a player is to transfer?

Agree with that, absolutely. Toughest non conference schedule that I can ever remember since I've been following Zips football (2001 or so). Just in general, it drives me nuts when it's acceptable to take 4 years to get a team to be competitive. And I'm not even talking contention for the MAC East championship (which shouldn't be a high hurdle), I'm talking about being competitive in games for all 4 quarters. We were blown off the field in every game in year 2, with the exception of an absolutely terrible BG team. I suppose a pass can be given for the pandemic season, but for me: Anything less than .500 on the MAC schedule next season is unacceptable. Not that it matters, we can't afford to fire the coaching staff ?

Yeah it'll be tough. More likely 3-4. However, falling one or two wins short of whatever baseline you think there should be (while still trending upward) isn't worth blowing it up if its believed there is potential for the program to keep improving. And if you are able to show improvement year over year, I'm not sure why anyone would think we can't keep improving until proven otherwise. The goal in my mind is sustainable competitiveness. If he can't compete in year 4 when he has a team filled with all his players, they're experienced, and with 2 more years to fix issues, then its time to shake things up. We should all be looking at the patience shown to Chuck Martin and Mike Neu. It took them a while, but they got the ball rolling and their programs look like they'll be competitive for the foreseeable future. It can pay off.

Since beating the Zips by twelve, the Eagles have lost by 33 at Toledo, won by 11 at home against DIII Calvin, lost by 11 at CMU, lost by 15 in Canada and lost by 22 at Miami. Jeopardy clue- Adrian, Olivet, Calvin and The University of Akron.

My expectation when he was hired was 1-3 wins season one, 3-5 season two, compete in the MAC season three. I guess I need to adjust those expectations. From one win, there are a lot of things that could be considered progress. However, this is the year that "reasons" start sounding like excuses. Changing the culture, building character and better grades won't carry the day if the if the on the field product is again bad.

Broncos getting their money's worth out of their minimum wage coach.

Just spit balling here, but the SEC likes to cram in some cupcake opponents in November. If we forfeit the MAC games, can we make $10M+ traveling the Southeastern Conference for weekly ass whoopings?

1. Williams forked over the money to make Embick one of the highest paid coaches in the nation. Do we agree/disagree with that move? 2. Williams hired Groce, and hired him on a very friendly contract his first few years, taking advantage of the Illiniois buyout. Do we agree/disagree with that move? 3. Williams fired Bowden - who most wanted fired. Do we agree/disagree with that move? Supposedly there were complaints KD and Bowden had about administration, but everything I've heard on that end is incredibly vague. I'd like to hear some more details before making an opinion on that. Biggest thing against him that I know of is that he may have botched the Arth hire. If Arth leaves early, I'd call it a failure, but it also gives him an opportunity to redeem himself. If he doesn't leave, I'm willing to see the process out 1-2 more seasons.

More Matt news for those interested- https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2021/01/08/oscar-winner-give-virtual-talk-akron-library/6582495002/