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I know a lot of people were ripping on Can't for their 600 crowd, but man it looks like we have about 100 people at the JAR tonight!

Even after 8 pages of being proven wrong you don't give up. You're ready to give up on Akron's football program so easily, why not give up on this argument? Stop calling yourselves fans, and go watch Mount Union if you want irrelevant football.

I honestly am not from Ohio and didn't even hear about Mount Union until I started going to school at UA, and haven't heard of them since I graduated. Probably the same reason I don't care about rivalries with Can't or OhioU. I get much more excitement out of games against Tennessee, Ok State, Penn State, etc. That's the main reason I've always wanted out of the MAC. It's a regional conference that is way too much like the lower divisions.

Maybe the guy hasn't done much for UA, but you have no right to criticize a guy for what he does in his FREE time. Do you spend 24/7 at your place of employment? Same people who were criticizing Tree and Harney because they were tweeting about playing Halo, when idiots say "Well good thing they aren't practicing!"

How do you explain schools like Cincinnati and Louisville? There's no reason Akron cannot equal the success of these schools. If things are changing at the FBS level then Akron should follow in the footsteps of the UCF, Houston, and Cincy-type schools. Even if it is so unlikely that a school like NIU makes a BCS game, isn't that better than NEVER getting a chance to play in a meaningful game? Ask a casual fan who won the FCS championship last year, see how many people care. I've seen more people talking about the freaking Little Ceasars Pizza Bowl tonight than I have EVER heard about a lower-division championship.

I'm sure you meant all FBS teams are eligible for the BCS National Title. FCS teams are not allowed even if they are still technically considered D1. This is why that level is irrelevant.

A more fitting analogy would be saying that you want the Cleveland Indians to drop down to AA since they had a few bad seasons. Small market baseball teams have the same disadvantage as mid majors do in college sports. Yet every year there are a handful of small teams/schools that make some noise. Would you suggest moving a team like the Indians, Pirates, or Twins down to the minor leagues.

Akron's football team is more likely to make a BCS game, than our basketball team is at making the Final Four. Yet, I don't hear anyone suggesting they drop to D2. So some people are claiming there will still be football. Really? How is there football if the games don't mean anything? You might as well go watch a freaking intramural flag football game at Buchtel Field. Why...it's still football!!!! To give up on the program entirely is embarrassing. Don't even call yourselves Akron fans if you support quitting, I sure bet Bowden and the Zips believe in quitting. Just stay home next season...

Ok like I've said the Browns have been bad since 99. I just watched them get blown out yet again. Why can't they just drop down to the Arena league? Just think of how good they would be playing against all those terrible teams.

I'm not sure how good Cleveland State was supposed to be, but man they looked terrible. I did hear they got blown out by St. Bonaventure. Vikings looked like a bad team throwing up poor shots and making a lot of bad turnovers.

FCS.... Argument over...Go Zips!

The Browns have yet to do anything since coming back to the NFL in 1999. If they moved to the Arena league maybe we can bring a championship to Cleveland! YES!

Exactly. You know I was frustrated after the soccer team lost in the tournament this year. Why not move them down to division 2? We'd have a better change of winning a national championship next year. Same with basketball! We weren't able to win the MAC last year, do you think we can move OAC would be an easier conference to win? I know it's division 3, but people in Akron would really support some good local competition! and a plus we wouldn't need to build a new arena, just play games at the Rec. Take the easy way out in life right? Use a hypothetical real world analogy....What is better going to Harvard or going to Can't State? Now think about it. Harvard is one of the best schools in the world, and it's very difficult to move up to the top of the class. But at Can't it would be much easier to be at the top.

Just that this keeps coming up is embarrassing. It's easy to break it down this way: If you are supporting FCS you have completely given up on the program. You don't ever want them to succeed and will be one of a few dozen fans left on saturdays watching the Zips play glorified high schools. If you support FBS you actually have hope for the future and are loyal fans. We are a big school, with amazing facilities there is no reason to give up! Just remember this is online, for anyone to see. Do you really want Can't and OhioU fans who stalk Zipsnation to see this? Do you realize how embarrassing it is that some fans have given up on the program entirely.

Funny thing is the Indians went through all that trouble, yet Swisher will just use his Tribe offer as leverage to get more money from a team that wants to win. I honestly don't care if Tressel was there or not. I'll admit I'm still kind of uncertain as to what he's done for UA so far. But if he takes one day off to go have lunch with a guy, I really couldn't care less. It's not like UA paid for it? Do we expect him to spend 24/7 at his office in Buchtel? I know for certain none of us spend that much time at work. So can't really criticize someone else...

Exactly. I have been loyal to the Zips ever since I enrolled there. Watched them build beautiful facilities and have very bad seasons. I haven't given up yet, but if we drop down to FCS I will no longer be a Zips football fan. It's just that simple. What is the purpose of rooting for a FCS team? even an undefeated season with a championship means nothing. I would rather average 1 win a season in FBS, because at least we would have a chance someday... People complain because I'm too negative, but I've never once suggested the Zips move down to a pointless division of college football. If you want to watch pointless football, go watch Mount Union or YSU.

I agree. We have the pieces in place to be the best in the MAC, but the product on the field has been terrible. Not many schools in FBS have the facilites we do in Akron, but I can't say that I'm "sold" on the coaching staff yet. That doesn't mean I'm giving up, but I can't say that watching the team last year proved anything. In all reality I'd rather be at the bottom of FBS than the top of FCS. At least in FBS Akron has a chance to do something. Even if it's very unlikely, it is possible. What's the best thing a FCS team can do? have one upset over an FBS team that really means nothing. Looking back I couldn't even tell you who won the FCS championship last year and I really don't care. We think Joe Akron is bored when MAC schools come to town, what happens if YSU, Western Carolina, and James Madison are playing at Info every week.

I remember when I predicted the Zips would be very close to .500 team heading into MAC play. I was then attacked because I "haven't even watched a practice" Well we sit at 4-4 with 5? OOC games left? Still very likely

Yeah getting a full ride to college, special privileges, and any girl they want. Wow what a tough life. So people like me, spend four years in college eating ramen and Rob's cafe food. Lived in dorms that lack heat and hot water (Gallucci Hall). Cannot afford to buy a car, cannot work because of unpaid internships and now left with a ton of student loans. Yeah I don't feel bad for them....sorry.

The purpose of school is to get an education. Athletics is secondary. If they don't want to take classes like the rest of us, then don't go to school. They can go to the arena leagues and play for money if they want. Do they want scholarships or do they want to get paid? It can't be both.

I've always said, pay them $20,000 a year and take away all their scholarships and "special privileges." As someone who has student loans, I have no sympathy for the "student athletes."

Nothing better than watching Toledo get destroyed right now! Not very likely, but I wish for the same outcome for OhioU and Can't.

Not when they play this bad. It's embarassing

Well the Zips gave up on this game before it even started. I've never seen a team so uninterested in playing.

Another loss to another terrible team. Just stupid turnovers and fouls by this team.