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How much did UMASS beat them by?

I couldn't care less what is said about any of our competitors, including OSU as long as it is factual (something you struggle with) and isn't ignorance. I value quality discussion. If you want to spew your misguided bias against OSU or any other program, make a thread in the off topic section and you can have a nice discussion with yourself. Back to Penn State talk.

If they win their next 10 games, they'll have wins over Marquette, Louisville, and UNC. But let's not let facts get in the way of our little brother syndrome. This thread is about Penn State. Let's keep it that way.

What's your point?

Basketball requires a special kind of conditioning that you really only get from actually playing. Dealt with it every year in high school going from football to basketball.

I dont think either of our wins were against even average teams, but it was nice to go 2 for 3 against high major programs. The Miami loss wasn't disappointing, but the margin of defeat was. Hope everyone that went had a good time. I'd call it a success. My take on the tournament: Robotham- This kid..just wow. I dont know or need to know the quality of freshman in the conference this season and I'm calling it now, he's winning freshman of the year. Pat- He's probably the MVP of the tournament for the team. Hope he can keep it up. We'll need him to. Deji- Seems to be picking up where he left off last season. I still remember posters on here calling for him to transfer. Kwan- Such a dynamic player. I think he had a solid tournament and looking forward to watch him during the rest of his career. Antino- I'd like to see better shot selection, and he had a few bad turnovers this game, but I like him as a back up PG. Kretz and McAdams- They aren't asked to do much on offense. They need to hit wide open set shots. Nyles- He looks better playing off the ball at the 2. Big Dog- Looked bad, but willing to cut him some slack for the time being. Gladden- Probably most disappointed in him so far, especially considering his offer list. Just looks like he doesn't belong on the floor. I'm not a fan of the 10 man rotation. I'd like to see KD tighten it up and go 8-man. Right now, the odd men out to me are Gladden and McAdams. I choose McAdams because he is doing absolutely nothing. He went 1-3 from the FT line in a critical juncture in the game tonight. Kretzer needs to hit shots, but he does some nice things on defense and makes hustle plays. From watching these young guys, I think KD has taken the recruiting up a notch, which is essential to taking the program to the next level. Less one dimensional players, and more complete basketball players. Have to give kudos to him.

His conditioning is poor because he has been injured all preseason. Obviously going to take him some time to get back in basketball shape.

Agreed Gladden looks like he doesn't belong on the floor, but lol at it "being on him" if we lose. Especially considering we are up at the half. Don't see him getting much more minutes in this one. Reggie and Jake need to step it up.

these announcers are annoying. "Why would Robotham go to Akron over UNLV." "That first game after Treadwell, they had an emotion that put them over the top against USC." USC is not good and Akron is a good program. Do some research.

6 point dogs according to ZTV sports

I dont feel bad for Can't at all. The game could have been played if their equipment truck would have ever made it. How does an equipment truck get lost? That game getting postponed screwed us as well. I'm sure a lot of players and coaches would prefer to be home with their families over Thanksgiving.

I think he is counting the games where there will be eligibility earned by default next week (ex. Virginia and VT). But there are going to be enough bowl teams eligible (has there ever not?). I think its more important to pay attention to our tie-ins... Michigan lost to Maryland last night. They have to beat OSU to become bowl eligible. This is more good news for the Quick Lane bowl. Hopefully Miami comes through next week and beats Pitt. Where it gets iffy, is that its hard to find if for say, the Quick Lane bowls gets the #4 pick of an ACC team or the #10 pick of an ACC team. If they get the #10 pick, then good, they might not have a choice other than to pick a MAC team. However, if they pick higher, then they can just pick another ACC team.

Primary: GoDaddy Idaho Potato Bahamas Boca Raton Camelia 3 back-up tie-ins Alternate: Quick-Lane bowl - Primary - B1G and ACC - ACC has 11 bowl and 9 programs eligible.8 assuming FSU makes the tournament. 3 programs still fighting for eligibility. Chances are one makes it, but possible none. I count 10 potential bowl tie-ins for the B1G. They currently have 9 eligible, with 1 more guaranteed(IL/NW), and potentially another in Michigan. OSU makes the tournament, that leaves 9 programs looking at 10 bowl games. If Michigan beats Maryland fill that last spot. Poinsettia Bowl - Navy vs MWC. Navy should be eligible, and I say below that MWC has enough program eligible. New Mexico Bowl- MWC and C-USA- 6 MWC ties ins.Currently 6 MWC bowl eligible programs. There are 5 C-USA bowl ties ins. There are currently 4 bowl-eligible programs. Marhshall will go to a BCS bowl. That leaves 3 programs.MTSU and UAB are fighting for eligibility. UAB has Southern Miss next week. MTSU still has FAU and UTEP. Chances are both of those become eligible to fill all 5 spots. Or St. Petersburg Bowl - AAC and ACC - I go over the AAC tie ins and eligible programs below. I count 11 ACC bowls. Currently 9 eligible ACC programs, and assuming FSU makes the tournament, they have currently have 8 programs to fill 11 bowls. Or Birmingham bowl - AAC and SEC. I count 5 AAC bowl tie-ins and 5 bowl eligible programs right now. I count 10 SEC bowl tie-ins. I count 10 current bowl eligible SEC programs. Assume one of them makes it to the tournament, that leaves 9 programs for 10 games, however Tenn, Kentucky, and Arkansas avoid becoming bowl eligible. Arkansas is winning 17-0 over Ole Miss at the moment. I spent way too much time looking at this today, but to me it seems we need to be paying close attention to the ACC. Specifically, Florida State, VT, Virginia, and Pitt. Root for Miami the next two weeks,root for FSU, and root for Virginia over VT. The QuickLane bowl looks like a possibility as an alternate game as well as the St Petersburg bowl. The Birmingham bowl could happen, but it seems unlikely, to me anyways, that Arkansas, Kentucky, and Tenn. finish the season without a win. That is, unless there is something really off with my methodology.

I gave VT a "most likely yes" rating, but just saw they lost to putrid Wake Forest 6-3 in 2ot. Root for Virginia next week as they hopefully will lose to Miami tonight. That would be two more eliminated.

So the MAC has 5 guaranteed bowl-bids with the potential of 7(stated on here). OU most likely beats Miami. They beat us, and have identical records, so I assume they would get a bid ahead of us. Anyone know what needs to happen to get the secondary tie-ins?

Thanks. I was searching before I made the post and somehow missed it.... So, with current results and more-likely-than-not predictions, we are looking at 17 teams fighting for 6 spots. Not good.

From everything I've read they are looking to play the game sometime. If you know something nobody else does, please share.

made a little spreadsheet that should have the most up to date results. but I guess I cant paste a table nor insert one. By my count, there are currently 23 teams (incl Buffalo) fighting for 9 spots. SDSU, WKU, and South Carolina have clinched. Stanford or Cal is guaranteed. The winner of Illinois/Northwestern is guaranteed, and the loser is eliminated. I also have Florida (against EKU), VT (against Wake and Virginia), and Navy (south Al. and Army) as "most likely yes". I have Ok St against Baylor and Oklahoma "most likely not" as well against Kentucky (vs. Louisville). Looking ahead with these conservative predictions thrown in, we are looking at 18 teams fight for 6 spots.

"Although Can't State has long been ineligible for postseason play, the Bulls sit two wins shy of bowl eligibility with two games left on the schedule. If Buffalo wins its final two games, it can go to a bowl game and fill a bowl spot for the MAC." "(NOTE: Buffalo has two wins over FCS teams, so the normal protocol would be for Buffalo to win seven games to become bowl eligible. However, at six wins Buffalo could apply for a waiver and hope it is approved to play in a bowl game)" http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/19/maction-given-a-snow-day-as-weather-postpones-buffalo-Can't-state/related/

The game isn't being played at all? And why can't Buffalo make a bowl?

We are the 6th best team AT BEST. Assuming Buffalo beats Can't and Mass, and Ohio beats Miami, that puts us at 8th.

Never really followed them after our games last season, but I see they finished 2nd to last in the extremely weak SEC last season. So far, they are 2-2 this season with losses to Charlotte and Baylor, and wins over Cornell and North Florida.

I dont think I agree much with this post. Miami is just over one season removed from winning the ACC. USC finished dead last in the PAC 12 last season and 9th two seasons ago. Beating Miami would have been nice (expectations aren't high, but they have talent), but I don't think we should get blown out like that to anyone. I also think they will win this tournament and go dancing. Like I said last night, I expect growing pains. Really looking forward to Robotham and Antino Jackson the next 4 years. We have to keep the youth of the team without Tree in perspective (myself included).

Was thinking the same thing myself.

well that escalated quickly