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They're still butt-hurt over that loss. You have no right to complain about losses like that, because you shouldn't have let it get to the point of a goal-line stand to win/lose the game.

I just read that article JZ84...and it made me realize just HOW MUCH I LOVE BOWDEN! We're so lucky to have him as a coach, he's a real guy who truly understands college football. Now I heard a rumor a couple of months ago that it was Jim Tressel who set up the interview with Akron Athletics and Bowden. Anyone know if that's true or not?

Alright...I approve, looks good! I still hope they use the two different helmets they have from time to time. Chrome and the gold, with a mixture of different pant colors.

So I guess the question for me is...is it just going to be the chrome helmets...or are we also going to have the gold helmets used as well. I'd like to see both used...mix and match along with the pants and jerseys.

@Jupitertoo Sometimes with arthritis (especially adolescent onset) you really don't know how serious it is until one day it starts being very serious. At least that's the way it was for me.

Well I'd bet the rest would be made public around Spring Game time? generate some buzz? besides...the release of the helmet seems like it was less of a "leak" and more of a purposeful release.

Thanks! Very...interesting... I would agree with your assessment.

What I'm saying is: getting a scholarship for performing a service, while signing other conditions (such as a press release of all pictures of you) as well as requirements of you to represent the university well in all your endeavors...IS no different than employment. Someone recieiving a physics scholarship does not two 2 of those three things. IE, performing a service and press release/representation of the university.

Zippy5...when did I EVER say that employees should be getting paid the same? I'm saying they should be considered employees. It's really not complicated... How can you say one person who performs a service and gets compensated for the service is an employee, while saying another person whom performs a service for you is not an employee. I'm not saying they should be compensated the same...they do two different jobs. However they're both employees.

I'm saying they ARE (at least should be considered) employees and they ARE (already) paid. The Labor board agrees with that, which is why they said that NW athletes can unionize. Definition of employee: Performs a service (athletic events...generates income) and is compensated for that service (room/board, tuition) = employee.

Darn it! When you see a picture, download it! I'm not sure how I feel about chrome gold...I don't feel like that chrome gold is OUR chrome gold... But I'll take it from you guys that it looks nice.

@Zips Win! I completely agree with you. Like it or not, the MAC is where we make our stand. We can either learn to thrive in it, or never thrive at all. It's our choice.

@LZip I wasn't proposing that we pay athletes. I'm AGAINST paying college atheletes above what they get compensated for room/board and tuition. In fact, I completely agree with you. Athletes go to college to get a COLLEGE DEGREE and then make a jump to the pros. You and I agree 100%. What I was commenting on was the use of "Employee" to a student athlete. What I'm saying is: You cannot so clearly state that they are NOT employees of the University. Because, frankly, there is almost no separation between employee and student athlete...because frankly student athletes ARE employees of the university. As employees they probably should be consulted when it comes to certain decision making processes that deal with them, like any faculty senate would be. My issue is NOT the compensation of student athletes (they are already compensated, and given contracts...and face problems if they break their contracts), yet are not considered employees which would possibly grant them a legitimate seat at decision making.

I really don't see a huge difference, or one that you can so easily classify as "delusional". Not that I'm advocating for the compensation of students via these unions...but to act as if they have nothing in common with employees of the university is equally delusional. They sign a contract...they sign a media waver...they sign a conflict of interest terms...they are made representatives of the university...sounds a lot like the contracts I signed to work for NSO and admissions. Oh, and I was an employee. So then what's the differentiation between student athletes and RA's? RA's are employees. They get reimbursed by free room and board. They represent the university and perform a function. The University roughly spends 40k per RA per their 4 years (or more depending how long they stay at the university). What's the magical difference between those employees and student athletes? So athletes don't perform any level of responsibility of an employee of the university that they should not be considered employees? Sorry, it's delusional to think that they don't.

Don't let athletic directors get $16,000 bonuses for any team that makes a national title *cough* *cough* State Ohio AD *cough *...cause you know, I'd probably try to form a Union too.

Apparently UMass is deciding to take the high-road straight out of the MAC. Any Thoughts? Damn...there goes an easy win for us every year.

With all do respect to Proenza, he has done a great job, but I want someone better. Someone to take us to the next level above where proenza has gotten us. Is JT that person? IMO, no.

That's a joke right? When your capacity is 27,000...and you're selling an average of 17850 seats a game (of which that 17,850 average aren't actually showing up for the game that is not televised), which if you're doing the math is 66%, I'm sorry but with attendance like that you have no business contemplating a move to conferences. That's an absolute joke. I feel like this conversation is quickly devolving into non-reality as opposed to reality. I'm a die-hard Zips fan...but I'm also not delusional.

I know I'm considerably younger than most on this forum...but EVEN I can remember when commercials were a lot less. When I was a kid, I remember I had commercial breaks memorized. essentially half-hour long shows had two...while full hour shows had three. roughly 15-30-45 min respectably, with a fourth commercial segment in-between shows. Commercials are absolutely out of control. What's even worse is that networks take commercials breaks when they shouldn't...and don't when they should. When a player is laying injured on the field GO TO COMMERCIAL BREAK! I don't want to see a guy writhing in pain on the field...all I say to myself is "have some respect and take the camera off of him. Same with fights, don't glorify that crap. After waisting time on non-sense like that they'll go to a break before the kick-off and after the kick-off. Ridiculous.

I'm really confused why you're confused @Zipgrad...or @Z.I.P... Yes I am serious about that comment. You don't financially tie up $62 million dollars in a new football stadium and NOT call that a commitment to Football. Last time I checked, UA is barely staying afloat financially, so any talk of moving to another conference is simply wishful thinking IMO. Or axing football (getting rid of the program...or moving it down to a lower level of football) also isn't likely. We can't even fill BOTH stadiums...we can't fill the lowely JAR (5500) for more than 2-3 games a year. We never fill the Big-Dialer (27,000), however it's average attendance is double the capacity of the JAR. It just doesn't seem like a realistic conversation talking about moving to a "Bigger" conference, when we can't even fill a stadium. I enjoy the conversation as well, but it seems like it's 99.9% wishful thinking and 0.1% reality based feasibility.

Not necessarily, but to better illustrate this I'll pose it within a different scenario. This is a question I get from a lot of people but on a separate subject: science standards in education. There are often movements in states such as Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and (yes briefly in Ohio as well) to get evolution out of science curriculum, where-as it is the foundation of modern biology and accepted by all reputable science organizations in the world. They use non-scientists (legislators) in order to push a scientifically damaging agenda. These legislators are for the most part not from a science background, and don't give a flying flip on what's good science and what's bad science. If you profess to be about STEM, then you need people who's agenda is STEM first. Period. Now I'm not saying a non-science background person would be that drastically bad...but there is a disconnect that's potentially disastrous. Sorry perception is everything, and that's a pretty big risk to take to "prove" the nay-sayers wrong. We're talking about the future of the University and it's reputation, not some game of "oh yeah...we'll show you!". The Cleveland Browns tried that experiment with Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi...they tried the "we'll show the disapprovers wrong" method...and look how that worked out for them.

Besides...scrapping football isn't going to happen. Because it isn't. UA made a commitment first to football, so we're unfortunately stuck with it.

I just made a list of potential costs...all of which didn't include professors complaining. Way to white wash it.

Unfortunately we need to accept that we're part of the MAC. UA can't afford the move, it would be suicidal financially. I can't wait to see a new basketball arena, and will be more than willing to contribute financially to it. However, I doubt I'll get the chance to for another 15 years.

I'd like to see a cost-benefit analysis on hiring Tressel as the president. What is the cost of having a non-doctorate (of any kind)president at a Mid-Major level university, what is the cost of having a non-science president at a university that is trying to gear itself to being a STEM centered University in NE Ohio, what is the cost of the public perception of a University grabbing onto a familiar face that made his career at another university (in the same state) in something other than academics or research. What is that cost, and does the benefit outweigh it? I haven't seen much of anything to make me believe that the benefit would outweigh the potential cost.