Balsy

Here comes the normal football Doom-and-Gloom. C'mon ZNO! At least wait until after the East-Jesus-Arkansas game...

There's also a few additions...I have not finalized the updated roster (for the roster thread), not until probably a week before the season begins.

I loved everything about last year's uniforms. Form the kangaroos, to the cool new look. I did like the chrome helmets though...I'd like to see them make an appearance for one game out of the year. But that was just my opinion of course.

As much as a fan as I am of Bowden, I agree. Bowl eligibility is the expectation this year.

Usually they have them take classes over the summer to lighten the course load in the fall no? So then every student is only taking 9 credit hours, as opposed to 12-16. The NCAA has "progress towards degree" rules/legislation. So I'd assume almost all of them are taking summer classes, and thus have room & board during summer as a result anyways. Regular students can get room/board over the summer even though their not taking classes as well.

We've got to assume we've improved in this area from last year to this year? Injuries, young players and graduations plagued this team last season. I've got to believe we've improved.

So he's going from a kangaroo to a Kangoeroe! That's actually got to be the coolest post-akron career move I've seen!

Don't the receive a substantial grant from the Federal Government for that program? It's the only Corrosion Engineering program in the country, at least it was when it was first implemented. Not surprised a lawsuit had to be filed, the U is a disaster at properly funding programs in the sciences not-named polymer.

I'm a Homer skip.

Uh oh, looks like we've got some homers in the crowd. Go Zips! Healthy Tommy Woodson, Healthy Warren Ball, and breakout WR Tra'von Chapman. @ Penn State - Zips lose...but a well fought game, fun to watch. Ball runs for 100. 0 - 1 vs. East-Jesus - Ball runs for 100 again, Zips fans are treated to a phenomenal performance by WR Tra'von Chapman 100+, Ball 200+. 1 - 1 vs. Iowa State - The Cyclones are a team on the mend, Zips get a small early lead, and never lose it. 2 - 1 @ Troy - I'm in the same camp as Lance, I just feel a W here. 3 - 1. @ Bowling Green - Here comes the eminent infuriating game that Zips nation will blow up on. BUT, Zips find a way to win and get the monkey of the shoulder. 4 - 1 vs. Ball State - Zips win a solid game. 5 - 1 @ Western Michigan - This is where I disagree with Lance. Zips have a better game, WMU still has significant talent, and zips always find to drop a mid season riding high game. 5 - 2. Zips fans need to be careful to NOT overreact. @. Toledo - The future Western Champion soundly beats the Zips, and prompts a ZNO hyperbolic meltdown after losing 2-straight. 5 - 3 vs. Buffalo - Yup here it is, the disappointing loss of 2017. ZNO forgets about still being above 500, someone starts a "Should Bowden be fired" thread, discussion starts to focus on will the Zips win another game...will we repeat 5-7? 5 - 4 @ Miami - Zips silence ZNO critics and beat the Redhawks. 6 - 4. vs. Ohio - Zips kill two monkeys this year, and soundly beat the Bobcats. 7 - 4 vs. Kent - Zips, having beaten almost everyone in the East, are down to this game. Win it, MAC Championship appearance and a Bowl game. Lose it just another Bowl game. First time in a long time this game means anything, Zips win it in a Blowout. Ball 150 yards, 2 TD. Woodson 250+ 3 TD. 8 - 4. Zips end regular season 8 - 4 and head to their first MAC Championship appearance in 12 years. The squeak into the first spot in the West by virtue of beating Ohio and BGSU. They face Toledo for all the marbles...can anyone say, 2013 repeat performance?

It's a somewhat complicated issue legally. You have google at your finger tips, if you weren't simply trolling, you could go look it up for yourself...or pay a lawyer by the hour to tell you. But from what I understand refusal of service has to be "reasonable" and "justifiable", and must not violate civil rights laws (of which states have versions of their own that go beyond that of the federal level). Good luck convincing a judge your cake idea was unjust discrimination. Refusing a gay couple who just got married (of which gay marriage is now the law of the land) a marriage service in your company you offer to all couples who get married (regardless of religion, race etc...) should be unreasonable and unjustifiable.

I know it's surprising to believe that I have a vibrant life outside you old-farts.

Red-Herring Fallacy and False-Equivalency K92. One of your trolling brethren already tried something similar in Colorado, and failed on all legal grounds.  I suggest you read up on Right To Refuse Service Laws in the US if you're confused.

Interesting. I do like the new uniforms. But darn did I like those chrome helmets. Oh well, thanks for the info.

I think you missed something. The chart is a snapshot of NOW, not a progression of one generation over time. The second graph shows that people who came of age during specific presidencies, don't really seem to change their loyalties (despite the argument you're trying to make to the contrary). Parties, sure but not really that much, core issues that were represented by the candidates who were in those elections, not much. So no it's not an increase of 21% from 4% it's that the younger's have a shift away from hardline conservatives and more towards "bystanders" and more liberal stances. Of course, you needed to read the article to understand that...or magically you're getting something out of there I didn't. The reason I brought up the Neurological development, is it could explain your claim that "people view things differently in their older age then when they were young" claim. But no, age does not equal gaining knowledge, experiences does and seeking new/different experiences can. Are you saying younger people can't be more knowledgable than older people? My sister bought a house, hasn't shifted her views one bit, as have many of my friends. I have been a manager of a business in charge of making financial decisions and hiring/firing people...hasn't changed my positions. If anything, it's shifted me in more away from the direction that you claim I should be going in. I haven't raised children, but I work with them on a daily basis and their families so I'm not blind to understanding. One does not have to have done things to understand them Skip. I didn't have to sink with the Titanic to sympathize with how terrible of an experience it was for the people who did, or to think of how to do things better. Both my grandfathers didn't end on the same political spectrum as you did Skip, and they did all the stuff you did and were older. So why the discrepancy? Please stop being condescending. There's a saying I love: "When I graduated from High school I knew everything. Then I graduated from College and I thought, I knew everything. Then I gained a graduate degree and learned that I know nothing. I finally achieved a PhD and learned that neither does anyone else". Humility should come with age, not assurance that the way you see things is the right way. I did actually have fun things this weekend, I had a wonderful date this late-morning/afternoon thanks for asking.

Oh bullshit. What if an atheist walks into the store and buys a cake and wants the atheist symbol embellished on it. That could violate the beliefs of the store owner as well. Except, currently you cannot discriminate against people based upon religions (of which absence of one is protected under law as well). Like literally the worst argument. If it was about artistic expression; Republicans could discriminate against Democrats. Democrats against Republicans. Burnettes against Blondes, Blue Eyed people against Brown eyed people. It's just a dumb argument Hilltopper, sorry bud. For your Nazi Group Jewish Bakery denying the holocaust; they would also be discriminating and it would be wrong. Look, people are SUPPOSED to be protected equally under the law period. No matter how vial their speech, or how vial their actions or beliefs, so long as they don't impede/harm others directly. That's why the KKK can still hold rallies, thats why the wackos of the Westboro Baptist Church can go protest military funerals. Thats because we live in a country that is run by a rule of law. Our country isn't supposed to take sides; it's supposed to make a level playing field. If you don't want to play in a level playing field, because of the chance someone might walk into your store and ask you to perform a service that you offer to everyone else, but something you don't agree with, then don't open your business. Also, it's poor business. Money is money, no matter who gives it to you.

Here's actual research into the issue conducted by pew research. "...while different age cohorts do have markedly different profiles, the relationship is considerably more complex than young=liberal and old=conservative..." "On an individual level, of course, many people’s political views evolve over the course of their lives. But academic research indicates not only that generations have distinct political identities, but that most people’s basic outlooks and orientations are set fairly early on in life...A recent paper by two Columbia University researchers that combined multiple survey data sources finds evidence of this sort of generational imprinting. Their study identified five main generations of presidential voters, each shaped by political events during their formative years: New Deal Democrats, Eisenhower Republicans, Baby Boomers, Reagan Conservatives and Millennials. Looking at the youngest American adults, those ages 18 to 29, nearly one-in-five are what we call Young Outsiders — GOP leaners who favor limited government but are socially liberal. Almost exactly the same percentage are what we’ve termed the Next Generation Left, who tilt more to the Democrats but are wary of social-welfare programs. And many (17%) are Bystanders — not registered to vote, don’t follow politics and generally the least politically engaged. That’s the biggest share among all age brackets, though perhaps not entirely surprising." Strong presidential imprinting: Now if you actually gave enough of a damn Skip to read this post, this research mostly points to how Kreed and I are right about our claims. It also demonstrates how your perceived "get more conservative as you get older" can be explained. This research to me makes sense, because neurologically the brain fully matures by the age of 25...for women there's a slight shift towards ages 22, 23. This is when the the prefrontal cortex fully develops, which is the part of the brain that undergoes considerable development in teenage years which leads to people almost universally identifying teenagers as assholes. Which is why you can be right in your observations of those 18-25, but not accurate in your observations of those 25+. People don't tend to radically shift their views after the age of 25. I know you think they do, but the research supports otherwise. Individuals might, but as a species not so much.

This is where I disagree with Kreed. The Democratic party IMHO has shifted to the left on social issues; but shifted to the RIGHT on Military, Taxes, Social Security, Helathcare (ACA was a Republican plan back in the 80's...Obama failed as a leader, to push for the Liberal plan of universal healthcare). The Republican party has shifted further to the Left. Had Bernie Sanders been the Democratic nominee, Trump losses. He appealed, and currently appeals, a great deal to the working class in this country. Enough so to swing Pennsylvania and Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin. I wish I could say Ohio too, but I'm not willing to say it would. If you compare some of the thing Trump said on the campaign stump, especially on trade and healthcare (Trump advocated in stump speeches all the time for a closer to universal than the crap republicans are passing now) and rebuilding infrastructure, to Bernie Sanders. There was only one politician who has consistently polled in favorability double-digits above Trump during the election, and after: Bernie Sanders. And I'm tired of the freaking "grow-up" pandering you're throwing at us. No Skip, you need to. You're not smarter than us because of age. There are no "secrets" that you suddenly no now that you're in your 50's that we won't no. My grandfathers (both of them) are laughing in their graves at that comment, because they were older than you and wouldn't have agreed with a single word you espousing to us here. Neither would my mother, who is slightly older than you by about a decade. Either there's a drastic shift in the next decade of life, or your full of crap. You think you know better than we do, but you're wrong. We have access to more information now then ever in history, and we know what you're saying is horsecrap. Said for decades by older people musing over their lost youths. Here you go again, putting party labels on things. Party labels have nothing to do with how people voted 40 years ago and now. Democrats are not the holders of liberal ideas, despite the Republicans desperate attempts to demean/assign that over the decades. Will we be more "conservative" than those younger than us? Probably. Will be more liberal than you guys as a whole? ABSOLUTELY!

One word Skip: gerrymandering. That'll explain the House of Representatives for you. It's rigged from the get-go. As for the Senate...power is given to rural states over populous ones. California (overwhelmingly Liberal with tens of millions of people) gets 2 votes, while North Dakota (couple hundred thousand people, largely conservative) gets 2 votes as well. There's a reason any attempt to add states like Guam or Puerto Rico have been met with opposition; they'd likely balance the scale more than they are now. And Amazingly, even though the Senate is stacked against the largely Liberal States, the senate is Liberal more times than it is conservative. Funny, isn't it. As for the State Governors and Legislatures, this doesn't mean those states are largely conservative. It means the Democratic party has failed misserably to understand what it takes to win in the mid-west. Standard of Living > Social Issues is key, and the morons on the coasts are blind to it. Bernie Sanders isn't however. But there is also a level of gerrrymandering on the state level that fucks over the citizens. Creating super-power districts in favor of one party, instead of forceing competitive races. Competitive races = battle of ideas. Super-power districts = fringe assholes.

I agree, and disagree. Where I disagree, is voting for parties and politicians that continue this crap. Trump antithesis of the Criminally negligance of the past three generations, and Clinton was the antithesis of the negligently corrupt. There have been those who have challenged the system but were defeated by it because of the pandering to Red-Haring issues (like polarizing people on Gay marriage, abortion, transgender people, climate change) while the system robs us all blind, and rigs itself in favor of those who have been corrupting the system. Where those generations failed, is they failed to rein in. There have been times where the reining in has happened in small part, only to have voters blindly vote in assholes hell bent on destroying what little was done in the name of some polarizing horse crap.

Scott Frantz, BAMF.

Just added both of the new guys. Brings us to 11. I'd like to see a LB or two added to this class, and a QB. But i'd imagine those guys will be making up their minds later?

Whatever happened to the Chrome ones? And the Black Uniforms...those disappeared last year. You periodically see on on there. But remember when they said they'd sell us one for like $200 or something? I always wanted to pull the trigger on it but didn't have the $$$.

Football can't start soon enough...then at least the arguing with be Zips related....

I don't mean to attack you Keener, my bad. But the smart ass comment (which I love that honestly, cause I'm quite the smart ass myself) though accurate, came across as underselling the results of the popular vote, which it doesn't, and I took it in the context of who posted it (kreed) and the direction of the conversation. My bad.