clarkwgriswold

Yep, so many moving parts it's impossible to predict.

The full list: 2016-17 Men’s Basketball All-MAC First Team Isaiah Johnson, C, Akron, Senior Marcus Keene, G, Central Michigan, Junior Jimmy Hall, F, Kent State, Senior Jaaron Simmons, G, Ohio, Junior Thomas Wilder, G, Western Michigan, Junior 2016-17 Men’s Basketball All-MAC Second Team Kwan Cheatham Jr., F, Akron, Senior Tayler Persons, G, Ball State, Sophomore Blake Hamilton, Wing, Buffalo, Senior James Thompson IV, F, Eastern Michigan, Sophomore Steve Taylor Jr., F, Toledo, Senior 2016-17 Men’s Basketball All-MAC Third Team Franko House, F, Ball State, Senior Braylon Rayson, G, Central Michigan, Senior Marin Maric, C, Northern Illinois, Senior Jon Williams, G, Toledo, Senior Tucker Haymond, F, Western Michigan, Senior 2016-17 Men’s Basketball All-MAC Honorable Mention Antino Jackson, G, Akron, Junior Zack Denny, G, Bowling Green, Senior C.J. Massinburg, G, Buffalo, Sophomore Michael Weathers, G, Miami, Freshman Jordan Dartis, G, Ohio, Sophomore 2016-17 MAC All-Defensive Team Trey Moses, C, Ball State, Sophomore Zack Denny, G, Bowling Green, Senior Dontay Caruthers, G, Buffalo, Sophomore Tim Bond, G/F, Eastern Michigan, Junior Deon Edwin, F, Kent State, Senior 2016-17 MAC All-Freshman Team Michael Weathers, G, Miami Jason Carter, F, Ohio Reggie Jones, G, Western Michigan Dylan Frye, G, Bowling Green Eugene German, G, Northern Illinois

Just as a point of reference, last year's 12 seeds were South Dakota State (25-7), Chattanooga (29-5), Yale (22-6) and Little Rock (29-4). Yale and Little Rock pulled off upsets.

Could you please be a little more specific?

Eastern over NIU; WMU over Miami; Toledo over BG; CMU upset over KSU.

RIP Go Zip.

Nice finish to the season for the struggling Zips. Nice to go to Cleveland with a little momentum. Noah and Ivey, and Utomi to a lesser extent, were huge. Noah made himself an offensive threat last night and that substantially improves the offense. Ivey was fired up from the opening tip-off and that fire is something they've lacked all year. He really led by example. The availability of Utomi was huge with Kwan again in foul trouble. No moment seems to big for that kid.

To start a game as a freshman and letter is impressive!

They really should schedule it for a Tuesday to get the team ready for the regular season.

I can't get a feel for this one. Do we get the Zips of the first 20 games who tend to find a way to pull it our after trying to give it away or do we get the Zips of the last two weeks that draft off and never wake up? At their best, the Zips are the top team in a conference that is struggling this year, but on a bad night they are among the worst.

Doing my part for the cause!

...that will look bad on TV because no one is in the stands.

Would somebody please start a PCCC thread? I've been banned. I've received an engraved invitation and offer for a free Uber from the PCCC fans for the game.

Just one? LOL. One thing I'll say for the guy who makes me cringe the most is that at least he tries hard.

Maybe Pogo Poke would be more appropriate.

Yep, no killer instinct. Add that to no team leaders and it can be a recipe for a disaster. Sometimes, you need a player to take the bull by the ............

The VCU debacle was a perfect storm scenario. The Abreu fiasco played right into the high pressure D of the VCU Shaka Smart squad. The illnesses of some of our players compounded it. That being said, I'm not sure we're in that game even at full strength. To this day, I'm still perplexed that Shaka kind of rubbed it in and did not let up when the game was well out of hand.

My summary of the MAC season- The MAC sucks. The Zips have sucked the least.

Do I sit at games and love every decision made by KD and his staff? Heck no. That being said, the Zips couldn't do any better than KD on the open market. Lord know, with his record, he'd have been gone long long ago if not for his CMU skeleton. Also, you can't discount the fact that his close friend, LBJ, is now a face of the school and contributing millions of dollars. KD's not going anywhere until he wants to. I'd also love to see an NCAA run, but let's look at the odds of that actually happening. Sure, there's a mid-major team every two or three years, a Kan't, OU or George Mason type team, that pulls it off. The odds of being that team are very very slim, explaining the excitement and legend when it occurs. As such, it borders on an unreasonable expectation to judge the program (or coach) by the failure to be one of those rare teams. I know many may see me as a defeatist. I think I'm a realist. I love the Zips but maybe, in reality, this is as good as it gets.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa.

I started the BG, Kan't and Miami threads. I feel your pain!

My favorite part of the Tim Rogers article- “We got what we deserved,” Dambrot said after an extended stint in the locker room. “We were emotional and paid the price. We’ve talked to refs all season and tonight we paid the price. We let bad plays bother us and we paid the price. We took command of the game and let them hang around. It is unacceptable behavior.” Translation- "Stop being whiny little b!+che$ and go play hard." Curious to hear mivid12's suggestions for improvement. There are a ton of young talented coaches dying to come to a midwest MAC team and spend their lives here. Once we get into the ACC, the list will grow even longer.

I'm going to tear the ears off of my head the next time I hear the terms "RPI" or "Kenpom" in a Zips conversation.

I think Dog has now solidified Marcus Keene's MAC MVP season. Just so damn frustrating as they continue to make the same mistakes they've made all season. Big Dog can't defend beyond 3 feet from the basket and can't make free throws, they play matador defense on dribble penetration, they rush threes, they build leads to pi$$ them away...on...and...on...and...on...

KWAN...KWAN...KWAN...