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Seems like some more players are transferring out. It will be interesting when the spring game roster comes out.

CB Randy Greenwood has left the team and is looking to transfer

CB Nate Vidmar has left the team

FB James Heiss is transferring to IUPUI

LB Nolan Plate is transferring to Dayton

Plate, Heiss and Vidmar - No one cares.

Greenwood is a disappointing loss.

All four are disappointing. We simply don't have the depth to sustain losses like this. We don't even have an FCS number of scholarship players and we're losing them at a rate faster than recruiting can replace thanks to the 25-person limit on signing classes.

I don't know, maybe it's Ianello's goal to cut the roster down to NFL size. He's going to leave the team in even worse shape than Brookhart did.

If we have 66 already here on scholarship and signed 23 more, are we over the D1 limit?

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Seems like some more players are transferring out. It will be interesting when the spring game roster comes out.

CB Randy Greenwood has left the team and is looking to transfer

CB Nate Vidmar has left the team

FB James Heiss is transferring to IUPUI

LB Nolan Plate is transferring to Dayton

Plate, Heiss and Vidmar - No one cares.

Greenwood is a disappointing loss.

All four are disappointing. We simply don't have the depth to sustain losses like this. We don't even have an FCS number of scholarship players and we're losing them at a rate faster than recruiting can replace thanks to the 25-person limit on signing classes.

I don't know, maybe it's Ianello's goal to cut the roster down to NFL size. He's going to leave the team in even worse shape than Brookhart did.

If we have 66 already here on scholarship and signed 23 more, are we over the D1 limit?

Don't you know your scholarship math?? Just ask Auburn and they can explain how 30+29+28+32 = 85.

Actually, we had something like 55 scholarship players, and about 11 walk-ons. We just lost four more scholarship players. So now we're at 74 for the fall. But for the spring practices, we won't even have 60. And the 74 fr the fall assumes nobody else decides to abandon this sinking ship.

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All four are disappointing. We simply don't have the depth to sustain losses like this.

So we lost a Junior that never saw the field.

We lost a Freshman to The Cavity Fillers of the IUPUI Intamural League (IUPUI hasn't had a football team since 1965).

We lost Nolan Plate, who was as key to the Zips success as:

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Who cares.

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We simply don't have the depth to sustain losses like this.

Nobody in the mac has depth. Replacing a starter with a bad junior is the same as replacing him with a green freshman. Either way you are up poop creek.

Except we're not replacing them at all. At least a freshman or a bench warmer can provide a body to practice against and so provides some secondary benefit to the team.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

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Let face it folks, we are in a bad situation. We hopefully will get a little better each year with better production (wins) and schlarship players. An exceptional leader could accelerate the process but we don't have one. Maybe he can grow into one. I am not ruling that out. But if he does, coach I will be gone as quickly as he gets noteriety. The kind he is getting now isn't conducive to finding greener pastures yet. How's that for an enlightened observation! :D

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

It gives us a chance to get rid of non contributors and add better talent. I doubt these guys even added practice squad depth. I have no problem with this. Some of these guys want to play ball, they dont want to be practice squad dummies. This may have nothing to do with Ianello and more to do with guys wanting to see the field.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

It gives us a chance to get rid of non contributors and add better talent. I doubt these guys even added practice squad depth. I have no problem with this. Some of these guys want to play ball, they dont want to be practice squad dummies. This may have nothing to do with Ianello and more to do with guys wanting to see the field.

How do you add better talent? We're limited to 25 signees per recruiting class. You can't add more talent when you're already at the max number of players you can bring in.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

I'm thinking at least seven.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

I'm thinking at least seven.

A "double turducken wrapped in bacon" post? :eek:

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Yeah, I get the numbers thing. Definitely can take a couple years to get that right, and even some of the top programs take 3-5 walkons and give them scholarships if they earn it. So we might be around 77 or so scholarship players come Fall 2011.

My feeling is if his OWN recruits start jumping ship after this year in MASS numbers (and we only win 2-3 games), then I will be a lot more concerned about running out of "scholarshipped bodies".

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better? It's a fact that iCoach is driving away players in maas (he even drove away the "Rudy" award winner) - the fact that they won't see the field is not the issue, the issue is why are all these kids leaving. For every kid that leaves, there is probably at least one other kid that wants to leave but can't since they are on scholarship. The kids that left are thinking they can either stay with a program they hate and possibly see their grades suffer, or transfer to a quality school and still play the game they love. Remember, the main reason for going to college is to learn, not play football. The focus should be on education first, not athletics. So when your attitude about the athletics effect your performance in the classsroom, it is time to move on. For over 99% of these players, this will be the last football they play.

Wow...don't get your panties all in a bunch there, killer.

The fact is, these kids are transferring to lower divisions. Whatever your feelings about the MAC, if they were so good they could still go to Youngstown State, Delaware, Montana, etc.

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens. For you to say these kids aren't good enough to play FBS football just shows your ignorance - but we knew that by reading the first line of your reply. I wish more kids would consider more than just football when deciding where to go. They probably have parents like you telling them - "Hey, Akron is D1 football - you have to go there instead of that other school that you like so much". Some kids just want to play football in college and have a better chance contributing for a longer period of time at a level lower even though they are capable of playing at a higher level. Furthermore, the majority of a teams roster is made up of players that will not see significant playing time - you still need these players to contribute in practice. Seems like the kids aren't buying into what iCoach is trying to sell them. I guarantee you Akron will again not have enough players for a traditional spring scrimmage and we will see another offense vs defense scrimmage. I will be curious to see how many will be on the spring roster.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you about this. Kids leave colleges every year for many different reasons. Fair enough. But, as an example, Tate Forcier left Michigan and is going to...Miami (and not the one in the MAC). And, guess what= he looked like an FBS QB last year. So he is probably in the division he belongs. 2 of the players mentioned are going to schools that play, arguably, a much lower level of football than Akron does. Great...if they are more comfortable there...more power to them. Do they get scholarships to play there? Hmm...I am not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure Pioneer schools do not offer scholarships. If this is better for them, their families, etc...great.

Sorry, but I am not about to bust on Ianallo and the coaching staff just yet. As someone mentioned in this thread or another, there were many that lambasted Auburn for grabbing Chizik a couple years ago. And, "closer to home", we had Miami (OH) with Haywood at 1-11 go on to win the MAC. He, of course, then went on to do some bad things...but that really doesn't matter does it? Or, maybe it does.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

I'm thinking at least seven.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better?

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

I'm thinking at least seven.

A "double turducken wrapped in bacon" post? :eek:

But if you order it with a diet Coke it looks like this. :)

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We lost one to IUPUI (didn't know they had football?!?!) and to Dayton..who is in the Pioneer League..a league which appears to be in some sort of "I-AA/FCS/Division III limbo". All I know about that league is Butler won some sort of championship in 2009 but it wasn't in the playoffs.

Why do you have to talk that way about other programs? Is it because Akron is the worst team in the worst conference in D1 so it makes you feel better?

My guess is either THEY realized, the coaches realized or a combination of their and the coaches realization was this= you are not good enough to play FBS football..even in the MAC!!!

Believe it or not, some kids choose a school not because they play D1 football but because of other factors - outrageous I know - but it happens.

I said that is my GUESS that they came to that realization. I am just looking at what I see. Not speaking in definites here.

Ianello might win 7 games at Auburn just because he can recruit talent there. Doesn't make him a good coach or may be it does.

How many quotes can be contained in a single post? It's like a literary Turducken.

I'm thinking at least seven.

A "double turducken wrapped in bacon" post? :eek:

But if you order it with a diet Coke it looks like this. :)

Now my heads spinning so fast,I think I'm gonna :puke:

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Add Anthony Schrock to the list. :(

Any details you would like to share? I know AS was an exciting prospect as an incoming freshman but then never saw the field (that I can recall). What is the dirt, Zach?

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Add Anthony Schrock to the list. :(

Any details you would like to share? I know AS was an exciting prospect as an incoming freshman but then never saw the field (that I can recall). What is the dirt, Zach?

No additional details. He WAS a Brookhart recruit, but I don't know if that factored in.

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Too bad about Anthony. I thought he had talent and could have contributed after his redshirt and Freshman years. I still see few positives under Ianello. Trouble is it looks like the recruits he brought in this past signing period feel the same way. It was a decidedly unexciting class. If we are relying on his coaching to improve their performance, I can only say one thing, 1-11.

Go Zips roundballers :champs::screwks:

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Too bad about Anthony. I thought he had talent and could have contributed after his redshirt and Freshman years. I still see few positives under Ianello. Trouble is it looks like the recruits he brought in this past signing period feel the same way. It was a decidedly unexciting class. If we are relying on his coaching to improve their performance, I can only say one thing, 1-11.

Go Zips roundballers :champs::screwks:

For the most part the players can not stand iCoach - so much so that they are willing to forgo scholarships to go somewhere else. As I have been saying all along, education is the most important thing for these kids and being miserable participating in Akron football will not help their mental attitude in the classroom. I heard Shrock may be going to D2 Ashland. What has to happen for everyone to realize that these kids are not responding to iCoaches methods???

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