Is Our Head Coach "Search" a Sham?

[johnnyzip84]

I am telling you there is someone else. the 'mystery' man is not a stoops. we might all be in for a surprise.

I keep hearing faint echoes of this from various sources. But those sources don't have a record of being consistently accurate. I rate it a faint possibility.

Here's my WAG for the "mystery man". Could it be Gary Crowton, who FootballScoop is saying will not be back as Maryland's OC next year?

BTW, FootballScoop is also saying that Joe Moorhead will be named Fordham's HC sometime this week.

[Dr Z]

FootballScoop is also saying that Joe Moorhead will be named Fordham's HC sometime this week.

Good for Joe. I wish him luck. Maybe he will make his way back here eventually. Wonder if he got an interview here???? Hard to know with this media lock down YouTube all has us under. I hope someone asked at the big meet and greet "who else was interviewed before you hired PW?" I'm dying to know.

[Captain Kangaroo]

And the answer to my original question is: "Yes."

And while I was correct that we were sitting around for 4 weeks with our thumbs up our butts awaiting Winters availability, I did not expect that TW would not be able to close the deal.

[Zip Watcher]

Yet you were shocked that Winters wasn't announced as the head coach? Which is it?

[Blue & Gold]

Yet you were shocked that Winters wasn't announced as the head coach? Which is it?

I don't see a contradiction there, ZW. CK was simply stating that there was, in actuality, no sincere search happening & that TW was just sitting around waiting for PW. Essentially not accomplishing much of anything over those three weeks. Then when PW declined the offer, TW probably crapped his pants. I wonder if TW is beginning at all to suspect himself an idiot.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Yet you were shocked that Winters wasn't announced as the head coach? Which is it?

Read my post above.

Winters was offered the job, as I predicted (predicting the sun will rise tomorrow would get you similar odds). UA put all our eggs in the Winters basket. But I didn't foresee Wistercill being incapable of sealing the deal.

I had no way of knowing the damage that was done the last time TW turned Winters down in favor of Rob Iannello. In hindsight, I should have seen it. Winters is a very intelligent guy.

26 days of sham...2 days and counting of reality.

[Hilltopper]

[Captain Kangaroo]

Yet you were shocked that Winters wasn't announced as the head coach? Which is it?

I don't see a contradiction there, ZW. CK was simply stating that there was, in actuality, no sincere search happening & that TW was just sitting around waiting for PW. Essentially not accomplishing much of anything over those three weeks.

Thank you.

[Zip Watcher]

Yet you were shocked that Winters wasn't announced as the head coach? Which is it?

I don't see a contradiction there, ZW. CK was simply stating that there was, in actuality, no sincere search happening & that TW was just sitting around waiting for PW. Essentially not accomplishing much of anything over those three weeks. Then when PW declined the offer, TW probably crapped his pants. I wonder if TW is beginning at all to suspect himself an idiot.

No, he said:

A 440V line dropping into my bathtub would shock me less than Paul Winters NOT being named the next Zips head coach.

And it's a fallacy that TW was sitting around and waiting for PW. It's misinformed hyperbole. There's a committee .. a search .. and it is real. The committee (rightfully, IMHO) seriously considered and acted upon the wishes of football alumni to have PW part of the process. Thus, a big component of the search may have focused for a time on PW.

Has the search been quick? No. Was the timeframe of the search altered by PW's situation and ultimate actions? Perhaps. But to continue to promulgate the theory that our AD was just sitting around waiting to talk with ONE guy .. not fielding and pursuing any other candidates until that guy turned it down remains laughable.

[GP1]

There's a committee .. a search .. and it is real. The committee (rightfully, IMHO) seriously considered and acted upon the wishes of football alumni to have PW part of the process.

I hope the members of the committee are not the same people who sat on the Coach I committee.

Unfortunately, nobody on the committee has probably heard of Ludwig von Mises and the three elements necessary for change. A person must experience all three before making a change.

1. Uneasiness with the current state of affairs.

2. A vision of a better state.

3. A belief that a better state is achievable.

Before making Paul an offer, the committe/TW should have known the answers to these points.

Was Paul uneasy with his current situation? I would tend to say no based upon the available information because WSU just played for the national championship. Given Paul's age, some discussion with him should have focused on his age and ability to make a leap/take a risk at this point in his life. The older someone gets, the more risk averse they become.

Not scoring on point 1 is enough to not close a deal. However, is the vision of a better state UofA football coming off two 1-11 seasons and an Athletic Department with TW at the helm? My personal opinion is no, but others are free to argue.

Strikes 1 and 2 now have happened. A belief that a better state is achievable. With TW as the AD? I would say no. It doesn't matter though because Paul was never uneasy with his current situation.

Everyone thinks TW should have been able to easily "close the deal" with Paul. Nonsense. Even if TW is a good deal closer, von Mises would tell us there was no way Paul was going to accept the position. The best way to close a deal is to guide a person in a direction that creates points 1,2 and 3 to happen in the mind of the decision maker. That's what the best of the best salesmen do. Make them realize for themselves the change is necessary. Timing has to be right when closing a deal. It wasn't the right time for Paul so the timing was off.

I told you guys weeks ago, I should be on the hiring committee. They need someone who understands Ludwig von Mises.

[Hilltopper]

There's a committee .. a search .. and it is real. The committee (rightfully, IMHO) seriously considered and acted upon the wishes of football alumni to have PW part of the process.

I hope the members of the committee are not the same people who sat on the Coach I committee.

Unfortunately, nobody on the committee has probably heard of Ludwig von Mises and the three elements necessary for change. A person must experience all three before making a change.

1. Uneasiness with the current state of affairs.

2. A vision of a better state.

3. A belief that a better state is achievable.

Before making Paul an offer, the committe/TW should have known the answers to these points.

Was Paul uneasy with his current situation? I would tend to say no based upon the available information because WSU just played for the national championship. Given Paul's age, some discussion with him should have focused on his age and ability to make a leap/take a risk at this point in his life. The older someone gets, the more risk averse they become.

Not scoring on point 1 is enough to not close a deal. However, is the vision of a better state UofA football coming off two 1-11 seasons and an Athletic Department with TW at the helm? My personal opinion is no, but others are free to argue.

Strikes 1 and 2 now have happened. A belief that a better state is achievable. With TW as the AD? I would say no. It doesn't matter though because Paul was never uneasy with his current situation.

Everyone thinks TW should have been able to easily "close the deal" with Paul. Nonsense. Even if TW is a good deal closer, von Mises would tell us there was no way Paul was going to accept the position. The best way to close a deal is to guide a person in a direction that creates points 1,2 and 3 to happen in the mind of the decision maker. That's what the best of the best salesmen do. Make them realize for themselves the change is necessary. Timing has to be right when closing a deal. It wasn't the right time for Paul so the timing was off.

I told you guys weeks ago, I should be on the hiring committee. They need someone who understands Ludwig von Mises.

Excellent analysis GP1.

[ZachTheZip]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job.

Then why didn't we try to hire him weeks ago?

I like the end result, but how this coaching "search" was handled still bothers me.

[skip-zip]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job.

Then why didn't we try to hire him weeks ago?

I like the end result, but how this coaching "search" was handled still bothers me.

Interesting. And now that we know that Bowden was a candidate, that seems to make sense.

[LZIp]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job.

Then why didn't we try to hire him weeks ago?

I like the end result, but how this coaching "search" was handled still bothers me.

Interesting. And now that we know that Bowden was a candidate, that seems to make sense.

I'd save its more of an action to attempt to "save face" from the University. Pretty sure Winters was offered the job.

Regardless, I'd take Bowden over Winters. Who cares what happened..we got a good hire.

[Lee Adams]

There's a committee .. a search .. and it is real. The committee (rightfully, IMHO) seriously considered and acted upon the wishes of football alumni to have PW part of the process.

I hope the members of the committee are not the same people who sat on the Coach I committee.

Unfortunately, nobody on the committee has probably heard of Ludwig von Mises and the three elements necessary for change. A person must experience all three before making a change.

1. Uneasiness with the current state of affairs.

2. A vision of a better state.

3. A belief that a better state is achievable.

Before making Paul an offer, the committe/TW should have known the answers to these points.

Was Paul uneasy with his current situation? I would tend to say no based upon the available information because WSU just played for the national championship. Given Paul's age, some discussion with him should have focused on his age and ability to make a leap/take a risk at this point in his life. The older someone gets, the more risk averse they become.

Not scoring on point 1 is enough to not close a deal. However, is the vision of a better state UofA football coming off two 1-11 seasons and an Athletic Department with TW at the helm? My personal opinion is no, but others are free to argue.

Strikes 1 and 2 now have happened. A belief that a better state is achievable. With TW as the AD? I would say no. It doesn't matter though because Paul was never uneasy with his current situation.

Everyone thinks TW should have been able to easily "close the deal" with Paul. Nonsense. Even if TW is a good deal closer, von Mises would tell us there was no way Paul was going to accept the position. The best way to close a deal is to guide a person in a direction that creates points 1,2 and 3 to happen in the mind of the decision maker. That's what the best of the best salesmen do. Make them realize for themselves the change is necessary. Timing has to be right when closing a deal. It wasn't the right time for Paul so the timing was off.

I told you guys weeks ago, I should be on the hiring committee. They need someone who understands Ludwig von Mises.

Excellent analysis GP1.

Believe me or not. A little bird told me that the AD at Wayne State,Fournier was an assistant at Akron but got fired. This person seemed to think that he waited until the dust settled with the Akron offer to Winters then upped the ante by offering him a very lucrative 5 year extension. Given what happened to both of them here that apparently sealed the deal.

[Dave in Green]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

[Captain Kangaroo]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

Damn Paul Winters has always been a liar.

[Zipmeister]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

And if the first one you make the offer to turns you down then you don't count that as an offer and make your first offer to the second best candidate.

[zipseuph]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

And if the first one you make the offer to turns you down then you don't count that as an offer and make your first offer to the second best candidate.

Key word in this is "technically"

[Zipmeister]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

And if the first one you make the offer to turns you down then you don't count that as an offer and make your first offer to the second best candidate.

Key word in this is "technically"

Absolutely. The Akron folks drove up to Detroit to make a nontechnical offer.

[g-mann17]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

And if the first one you make the offer to turns you down then you don't count that as an offer and make your first offer to the second best candidate.

Key word in this is "technically"

Absolutely. The Akron folks drove up to Detroit to make a nontechnical offer.

Exactly Meister, They went up to gauge interest in receiving an offer that didn't happen. You know like the ole junior high date question "you wouldn't, possibly, maybe be interested in going to the dance with me, if I was maybe to ask?"

[Zipmeister]

From Footballscoop: Akron: This afternoon we spoke with sources very close to the process. After those talks, we believe that Terry Bowden is the only candidate that was technically offered the job. .....

Makes sense. In business, you interview a number of candidates before offering the position to the one who you find through the interview process to be the most qualified. There are things that are brought out during the interview process that may cause either the interviewer or interviewee to decide that there is not a good match. It appears that UA and Bowden found each other mutually attractive during the interview process, and that mutual attraction did not work out with the other candidates.

And if the first one you make the offer to turns you down then you don't count that as an offer and make your first offer to the second best candidate.

Key word in this is "technically"

Absolutely. The Akron folks drove up to Detroit to make a nontechnical offer.

Exactly Meister, They went up to gauge interest in receiving an offer that didn't happen. You know like the ole junior high date question "you wouldn't, possibly, maybe be interested in going to the dance with me, if I was maybe to ask?"

This is why telephones were invented.

[GP1]

There's a committee .. a search .. and it is real. The committee (rightfully, IMHO) seriously considered and acted upon the wishes of football alumni to have PW part of the process.

I hope the members of the committee are not the same people who sat on the Coach I committee.

Unfortunately, nobody on the committee has probably heard of Ludwig von Mises and the three elements necessary for change. A person must experience all three before making a change.

1. Uneasiness with the current state of affairs.

2. A vision of a better state.

3. A belief that a better state is achievable.

Before making Paul an offer, the committe/TW should have known the answers to these points.

Was Paul uneasy with his current situation? I would tend to say no based upon the available information because WSU just played for the national championship. Given Paul's age, some discussion with him should have focused on his age and ability to make a leap/take a risk at this point in his life. The older someone gets, the more risk averse they become.

Not scoring on point 1 is enough to not close a deal. However, is the vision of a better state UofA football coming off two 1-11 seasons and an Athletic Department with TW at the helm? My personal opinion is no, but others are free to argue.

Strikes 1 and 2 now have happened. A belief that a better state is achievable. With TW as the AD? I would say no. It doesn't matter though because Paul was never uneasy with his current situation.

Everyone thinks TW should have been able to easily "close the deal" with Paul. Nonsense. Even if TW is a good deal closer, von Mises would tell us there was no way Paul was going to accept the position. The best way to close a deal is to guide a person in a direction that creates points 1,2 and 3 to happen in the mind of the decision maker. That's what the best of the best salesmen do. Make them realize for themselves the change is necessary. Timing has to be right when closing a deal. It wasn't the right time for Paul so the timing was off.

I told you guys weeks ago, I should be on the hiring committee. They need someone who understands Ludwig von Mises.

Excellent analysis GP1.

Believe me or not. A little bird told me that the AD at Wayne State,Fournier was an assistant at Akron but got fired. This person seemed to think that he waited until the dust settled with the Akron offer to Winters then upped the ante by offering him a very lucrative 5 year extension. Given what happened to both of them here that apparently sealed the deal.

I believe you. Fournier was always kind of a sneaky little guy. Either way, we are in a great position today.

[ZipRoo]

[g-mann17]

Exactly Meister, They went up to gauge interest in receiving an offer that didn't happen. You know like the ole junior high date question "you wouldn't, possibly, maybe be interested in going to the dance with me, if I was maybe to ask?"

This is why telephones were invented.

I hear the telephones were all tied up fielding calls from all the people wanting to renew their season tickets.