LZIp Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 MAC well on its way to being the number 1 non-AQ conference in FBS. When the Big Least is adding Tulane, that is grasping at straws. dont forget about Memphis. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 We're now talking winners and losers here. The MAC and MWC are winners in my book. The MAC by virtue of stability and performance is garnering deserved attention. Ofcourse, 2 ranked teams in the championship dosen't hurt either. The MWC wins by virtue of goegraphical cohesion and the BE losing its AQ status. To be perfectly honest here, I think 14 full members is ideal for the MAC. It staves off injuries from defections and helps maintain the MACC. Losers? I think its fairly obvious. The BE seems to be graspoing at straws here. Did they contact UA or Can't State? Do we really care? The latter says it all, and now they have what appears to be a very unstable combination of programs across the county that selectively play the sports of their choosing. More to the point, this is exactly opposite of the MAC and MWC (where only Umass and Hawai'i are satelite members respectively). CUSA? With this years record, they've gone down even before ECU moved. FIU? I'd run back to the Belt asap. The real ? though, will these conferences be able to get enough programs to move up before they collapse like the WAC. Honestly, I think we'd all be better off if one did. One would think that a select few will still migrate over to the MWC, but they don't seem to be in as big of a hurry as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I think Im at the point where I would actually be PISSED if we moved to the Big East. Crazy how a few months can change things.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ESPN's Scott Van Pelt Show just had a segment mocking/lamenting the Big East. It actually seems that the MAC is now the preferable conference. How quickly times have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The Big East is going after big markets. Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Philadelphia, and now New Orleans. I don't see how you'd rather play in Athens, OH or Ypsilanti, MI when we could have national exposure or at the least get outside of the cluster conference of Ohio and Michigan... Cleveland-Akron is no smaller of a market than any of the ones the Big East is adding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The Big East is going after big markets. Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Philadelphia, and now New Orleans. I don't see how you'd rather play in Athens, OH or Ypsilanti, MI when we could have national exposure or at the least get outside of the cluster conference of Ohio and Michigan... Cleveland-Akron is no smaller of a market than any of the ones the Big East is adding. These things called OOC games....yeah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The Big East is going after big markets. Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Philadelphia, and now New Orleans. I don't see how you'd rather play in Athens, OH or Ypsilanti, MI when we could have national exposure or at the least get outside of the cluster conference of Ohio and Michigan... Cleveland-Akron is no smaller of a market than any of the ones the Big East is adding. Problem is, that as much as TV makes it about market size, it really comes down to competition level. Do any of those big cities you mentioned, not pay more attention to the best performing team in their area. Houston and Dallas care about Texas and A&M, Orlando cares about any Florida team but UCF, Philly is Penn State territory. Having a team in that market means nothing if the team is competitive. For fan experience, maybe the bigger cities would be better (at least easier for travel) but there looks to be ZERO competitive benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 What are the chances the MAC adds another team to even up the East and the West? If they did would they be football only? If not, that would make the basketball divisions uneven. I don't think we will be able to pull UMASS out of the A-10 for basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 what about cinci coming back? Do they really want to stay in a league that is dying and no better than the MAC? Unless the prefer traveling all over the country and keeping whatever dignity they think they might have by thinking they are too good for the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 what about cinci coming back? Do they really want to stay in a league that is dying and no better than the MAC? Unless the prefer traveling all over the country and keeping whatever dignity they think they might have by thinking they are too good for the MAC. Cinci is calling the ACC and Big XII. The MAC is not even an afterthought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I seem to remember Cincy fans gloating about their emergence as a national power once they obtained BCS status. Funny, now that they've seemingly lost it, all I hear is crickets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Law Journal Article Law journal on $50 million exit fee Maryland facing. May not hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Meanwhile, Denver has abandoned the WAC and joined the Summit League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Meanwhile, Denver has abandoned the WAC and joined the Summit League. I wonder if the exit fee was a $10 gift certificate to Jersey Mike's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The Big East is going after big markets. Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Philadelphia, and now New Orleans. I don't see how you'd rather play in Athens, OH or Ypsilanti, MI when we could have national exposure or at the least get outside of the cluster conference of Ohio and Michigan... Cleveland-Akron is no smaller of a market than any of the ones the Big East is adding. Please clarify. The Dallas,Philly,Houston markets are no bigger than the CLE-CAK market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Please clarify. The Dallas,Philly,Houston markets are no bigger than the CLE-CAK market? Cle-Ak market is bigger than Orlando and New Orleans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
you am i Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I seem to remember Cincy fans gloating about their emergence as a national power once they obtained BCS status. Funny, now that they've seemingly lost it, all I hear is crickets! Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Louisville are each scrambling to ditch the Big East and get into the ACC to replace Maryland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 This ESPN story on Cincinnati's efforts to join the ACC throw out some numbers that show what kind of riches it requires to join the big boys' club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sorry, Cincinnati. Source: ACC adds Louisville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Cinci left in the dust again. Dont see them going to the Big 12, only the ACC if they extend more invites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 And now Middle Tennessee State joins CUSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 And now Middle Tennessee State joins CUSA. And FAU. That means we'll lose FAU for MAC soccer. Addition by subtraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd like to jump on this idea that conferences should add teams based upon the television market that team is in. Big population does not equal big viewership of a local college team. NE Ohio sports fans are crazy about their pro sports teams and OSU. There is no television benefit of bringing in Akron to a conference. The same goes for the joke of the Big Ten adding Maryland and Rutgers. People in NJ don't really care about Rutgers, but they really care about the Giants, Jets, Knicks, Yankees, etc. and they watch them on television. Maryland struggles to draw large home crowds in a place that can be reached by the DC Metro...nobody cares and nobody is going to watch. The Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland actually makes the conference worse in quality and adds very little in the way of television viewership. Rutgers is pathetic and pathetic organizations do pathetic things. The AD at Maryland is a moron and morons do moronic things. Rutgers jumped to the Big Ten because they had to get out of the Big East and the Big Ten is so desperate for relevancy they will try to pass off bringing in a bad team as a good idea because it "expands the Big Ten footprint" (I wonder if the people who run the Big Ten understand that when they expand the footprint, they are stepping into a pile of crap). Maryland is making a horrible move getting out of the ACC. The ACC is one of the few BCS conferences the Big Ten is better than and their football program just got worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd like to jump on this idea that conferences should add teams based upon the television market that team is in. Big population does not equal big viewership of a local college team. NE Ohio sports fans are crazy about their pro sports teams and OSU. There is no television benefit of bringing in Akron to a conference. The same goes for the joke of the Big Ten adding Maryland and Rutgers. People in NJ don't really care about Rutgers, but they really care about the Giants, Jets, Knicks, Yankees, etc. and they watch them on television. Maryland struggles to draw large home crowds in a place that can be reached by the DC Metro...nobody cares and nobody is going to watch. The Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland actually makes the conference worse in quality and adds very little in the way of television viewership. Rutgers is pathetic and pathetic organizations do pathetic things. The AD at Maryland is a moron and morons do moronic things. Rutgers jumped to the Big Ten because they had to get out of the Big East and the Big Ten is so desperate for relevancy they will try to pass off bringing in a bad team as a good idea because it "expands the Big Ten footprint" (I wonder if the people who run the Big Ten understand that when they expand the footprint, they are stepping into a pile of crap). Maryland is making a horrible move getting out of the ACC. The ACC is one of the few BCS conferences the Big Ten is better than and their football program just got worse. Rutgers is usually a pretty solid program. I mean their coach did just go to Tampa Bay last year. You dont do that by sucking. It was a very smart move by Maryland, financially. They athletic department is already in a lot of debt, and had to cut 7 sports this past year because of it. Joining the B1G and the revenue split from the B1G is allowing them to bring these programs back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd like to jump on this idea that conferences should add teams based upon the television market that team is in. Big population does not equal big viewership of a local college team. NE Ohio sports fans are crazy about their pro sports teams and OSU. There is no television benefit of bringing in Akron to a conference. The same goes for the joke of the Big Ten adding Maryland and Rutgers. People in NJ don't really care about Rutgers, but they really care about the Giants, Jets, Knicks, Yankees, etc. and they watch them on television. Maryland struggles to draw large home crowds in a place that can be reached by the DC Metro...nobody cares and nobody is going to watch. The Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland actually makes the conference worse in quality and adds very little in the way of television viewership. Rutgers is pathetic and pathetic organizations do pathetic things. The AD at Maryland is a moron and morons do moronic things. Rutgers jumped to the Big Ten because they had to get out of the Big East and the Big Ten is so desperate for relevancy they will try to pass off bringing in a bad team as a good idea because it "expands the Big Ten footprint" (I wonder if the people who run the Big Ten understand that when they expand the footprint, they are stepping into a pile of crap). Maryland is making a horrible move getting out of the ACC. The ACC is one of the few BCS conferences the Big Ten is better than and their football program just got worse. There's something to your argument, but you lose me at "viewership." The Big Ten isn't adding these teams for "viewership." They're adding these teams because they're in markets (read: states) which don't currently have the Big Ten Network. Adding new states to the mix adds "subscribership" .. I don't really think they're into viewership as much as subscribership. Fans will demand the BTN if their teams are all on that network, the cable systems will ultimately capitulate, and millions of other people in the state who don't care for the turtle will be paying the BTN a $ or 2 per month since they live in MD and have a TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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