GP1 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I figured since there are toxic waste dumps for toxins, we could have a toxic waste dump for the discussion of minutes played. Have fun, but don't let any spill out. Thanks to ZipsWin! for the topic title idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 This discussion needs a banner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I figured since there are toxic waste dumps for toxins, we could have a toxic waste dump for the discussion of minutes played. Have fun, but don't let any spill out. Thanks to ZipsWin! for the topic title idea. Actually, according to the Resource Conservation and Control Act of 1976, EPA toxic wastes must be incinerated before they can be dumped (i.e., buried). What, am I the only environmental scientist on the board??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 This discussion needs a banner Excellent! I would also like to contribute with the following link: Ask the Knitbro Just in case. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 One thing I have noticed in studying minutes per game is that we always seem to play to our opponents' level. Almost every game I checked out we have 200 minutes which is exactly the same as the team we are playing. The OU game was an exception. In that contest we managed to get 210 minutes, but again so did they. You would think if our coaches were so great that by now we would be getting more minutes per game than our opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 One thing I have noticed in studying minutes per game is that we always seem to play to our opponents' level. Almost every game I checked out we have 200 minutes which is exactly the same as the team we are playing. The OU game was an exception. In that contest we managed to get 210 minutes, but again so did they. You would think if our coaches were so great that by now we would be getting more minutes per game than our opponents. Just a couple of thoughts on this. If you divide 200 by 2, you get 100 minutes. If you divide 100 by five, you get 20 and ironically, that's the exact number of minutes in the first half of a basketball game. Additionally, the closest prime numbers to 200 are 199 and 211. Interestingly, if you round Treadwell's average minutes per game down to 31, you would have a prime number, but if you round it up to 32, you no longer have a prime number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Just a couple of thoughts on this. If you divide 200 by 2, you get 100 minutes. If you divide 100 by five, you get 20 and ironically, that's the exact number of minutes in the first half of a basketball game. Additionally, the closest prime numbers to 200 are 199 and 211. Interestingly, if you round Treadwell's average minutes per game down to 31, you would have a prime number, but if you round it up to 32, you no longer have a prime number. Far out man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 @GP1 - Sometimes elevated numbers can appear to be of high value, but it is the point of numeric reference that determines worth. Is 80 high? In hockey, certainly, but not basketball. Likewise, a boy with $80 is rich, yet that sum is not sufficient to fill up his father's gas tank. So things ebb and flow...no one can ever say with absolute certainty that something "is," or something "isn't." Why is it knit one, pearly two? Is pearl worth twice as much as knit? One can debate the merits of knit vs. pearl in tremendous passionate detail, but does it truly make any difference to the sweater produced? So in the end GP1, I think we are all saying the same thing. I appreciate your thoughtful comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Just a couple of thoughts on this. If you divide 200 by 2, you get 100 minutes. If you divide 100 by five, you get 20 and ironically, that's the exact number of minutes in the first half of a basketball game. Additionally, the closest prime numbers to 200 are 199 and 211. Interestingly, if you round Treadwell's average minutes per game down to 31, you would have a prime number, but if you round it up to 32, you no longer have a prime number. So that must mean that Tree is headed to the "prime-time" (NBA)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 @GP1 - Sometimes elevated numbers can appear to be of high value, but it is the point of numeric reference that determines worth. Is 80 high? In hockey, certainly, but not basketball. Likewise, a boy with $80 is rich, yet that sum is not sufficient to fill up his father's gas tank. So things ebb and flow...no one can ever say with absolute certainty that something "is," or something "isn't." Why is it knit one, pearly two? Is pearl worth twice as much as knit? One can debate the merits of knit vs. pearl in tremendous passionate detail, but does it truly make any difference to the sweater produced? So in the end GP1, I think we are all saying the same thing. I appreciate your thoughtful comments. Some might say they are thoughtful and some might say they are down right moronic. Without careful analysis of every letter written can we never really come to a conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I realize this was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek (or maybe more than that) shot at one of our members who could give the appearance of getting to far down in the weeds in analytics at times. I know not everyone enjoyed that but if it bothers you that much, you always have the "ignore" button option. I sometimes enjoyed the lower level analysis and details that might have been overlooked and it gave me one more reason to think about the Zips. Who cares if it sometimes may not have mattered in the big picture. What in sports really does all of the time? He was one of the more passionate Zips fans around and with our very limited numbers we need as many of those as we can get. I don't see the sense in attacking other Zips fans who are all really rooting for the same thing - Zips success. Long live Dave and his statistical analysis. /rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxZIP Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I realize this was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek (or maybe more than that) shot at one of our members who could give the appearance of getting to far down in the weeds in analytics at times. I know not everyone enjoyed that but if it bothers you that much, you always have the "ignore" button option. I sometimes enjoyed the lower level analysis and details that might have been overlooked and it gave me one more reason to think about the Zips. Who cares if it sometimes may not have mattered in the big picture. What in sports really does all of the time? He was one of the more passionate Zips fans around and with our very limited numbers we need as many of those as we can get. I don't see the sense in attacking other Zips fans who are all really rooting for the same thing - Zips success. Long live Dave and his statistical analysis. /rant The problem with the minutes discussions include but are not limited to the fact that box scores can provide limited information of value. Either watch the game and gain observational/contextual data or employ some more sophisticated analytics. The constant and incessant box score rehash stinks. More information is needed and the binary win/loss game output data provides only a rudimentary and noisy read on how well the team is optimized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 The problem with the minutes discussions include but are not limited to the fact that box scores can provide limited information of value. Either watch the game and gain observational/contextual data or employ some more sophisticated analytics. The constant and incessant box score rehash stinks. More information is needed and the binary win/loss game output data provides only a rudimentary and noisy read on how well the team is optimized.Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Lots of people having fun with this and that's great. In reality, this tread can still be a good place for those who wish to have a serious conversation about statistics to visit and discuss a game without turning every game into a research project for those who just want to read and discuss the opinions of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxZIP Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Lots of people having fun with this and that's great. In reality, this tread can still be a good place for those who wish to have a serious conversation about statistics to visit and discuss a game without turning every game into a research project for those who just want to read and discuss the opinions of others. Sincerity is a funny thing. People can be seriously boring, annoying, or self-righteous. It is still entertaining as evidenced by this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hey, I've met Dave and I like the guy. We are all big boys here and we all should be able to take a little ribbing at times. IMO the board is a little on the dry side and any attempt at humor is good with me. I read every word of every thread and Dave's stuff is no exception. In fact we have a nickname for him. "The Notorious D I G " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 FYI, Notorious DIG is up to his eyeballs in a big home renovation project. I'm sure he will be chipping in with his opinion as soon as his house is all back in one piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 FYI, Notorious DIG is up to his eyeballs in a big home renovation project. I'm sure he will be chipping in with his opinion as soon as his house is all back in one piece. That's a pretty lame excuse for depriving those of us who rely on him to report the minutes each Zip played in the Testicle Tech game. Hopefully, he will make this right by revealing the number of minutes he spent on various facets of the renovation project (e.g., 70 - painting, 100 - electrical, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Now this is a truly funny thread! The real humor is in the irony. It's ironic that the concept for this thread came from a guy with a long history of telling various Zips fans that they don't belong on this forum and should stop posting as if he owns the place. Then there's the irony of the folks who actually do own the place who lament why some forum members stop posting while apparently remaining oblivious to the fact that some are openly trying to discourage others from posting.But the biggest irony is the guy who ran with the concept and started this thread, a guy who never met a thread on ZN.o that he didn't want to turn into a discussion of spring football or death to the NCAA. And he objects to posting stats on a sports forum? Excuse me, sports without stats? I'm laughing so hard I'm about to pee my pants. I agree that this thread is way too funny to let die, so I'll come back and bump it periodically so we can all have another good laugh. When I post stats, they'll remain in the game threads where they belong on a sports forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I'll throw some more irony on the fire: people who pose as statisticians who couldn't tell a t hypothesis from a t-square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Why would they need to know what a t-square is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 They wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 @johnnyzip84, I don't see the irony you point out because I don't see anyone posing as a statistician on ZN.o. All I see is some forum members paying more attention to numbers than others. In my case I've had no training in statistics and don't understand many advanced stats. I just see basic stats as simple math facts that can be used to fact-check my impressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I believe some posters have erroneously viewed you as a quasi-statistician, as in "I wonder what DiG's stats would say about this or that?". But then again, it's just my perception and I have no facts to back it up.I admit you have, on more than one occasion, made it clear that you are a writer by education and trade. So the "poser" comment was probably just a 1:30 am jab coming after after a long work week. Have at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I get it, and no problem with the jab. It's all part of life on ZN.o. Some have referred to me as the "stats guy" because I address the numbers more than anyone else here. Really, if you look back to my early years on ZN.o, I didn't mention stats much at all. At some point I saw some forum members making claims that didn't seem right to me. So I visited various stats sites and found that the numbers didn't match certain claims being made. Then I started checking my own impressions against the numbers and found areas that I was misjudging.Since then I've said that while the numbers don't tell the whole story, they tell an important part of the story. But some people like to stereotype others, and I got pinned with the label that I only care about the numbers. Wrong. I just don't ignore the numbers. I think a good balance of impressions, analysis and stats makes for good discussion on a sports forum. If others want to downplay stats, I'll try to make up the difference to help create that good balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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