g-mann17 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Not that I'm defending A-Zip, or that I'm against UA athletics...but it is a lot to do about something. $800 a year going to athletics is absurd. It's even more absurd when the main product of your college (education...or at least it should be education) is being taught by instructors whom are not contingent-faculty (meaning that they are part-time, non tenure track, and don't have a personal investment in the university, or frankly the students). I graduated from UA only a couple of years ago, and had to deal a lot with the part-timers. The quality between them and full-time faculty was huge. The classes I had with run by part-time non-contingent faculty weren't even in the same league as the others. Not to mention with fewer full-time faculty, there's fewer mentors avialable to students to find in departments. All this talk about "cost savings for students" and demands from legislatures to reduce cost savings for students, impacts the educational quality of the students; by cutting full-time faculty and incorporating online classes.And all Universities adhere to the same concept as University of Akron. Hire more adjunct then tenure. Why? Because it is easier to remove a poorly performing adjunct then a poorly performing tenured. At let's not forget, that even with a ton of tenured staff, who typically teaches the majority of classes? Grad assistants, now personally I would rather have people with real world experience teaching a class then a life time student. But that is just me.http://agb.org/trusteeship/2013/5/changing-academic-workforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 This topic has gravitated towards "Non-football."If anyone wants to create a topic regarding school funding in the "Off topic" or "General Discussions" forum, please do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 This topic has gravitated towards "waste of time to read" territory.FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 What do college football fans want today?Clean bathrooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 What do college football fans want today?Clean bathroomsFortunately for Akron, they don't get much use so that shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 On bathrooms alone, the new stadium should be drawing triple the attendance of the Rubber Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Here's why I think it's difficult for people to care. Let's say the Zips have a magical year. Beyond magical even - let's say they go undefeated. They beat Oklahoma, they beat Pitt again, they dominate the MAC, and they go 13-0.As MAC Champions, they would look to stay undefeated in a Bowl Game. They could potentially find themselves in a major bowl game, but more than likely they'd be headed to the Bahamas Bowl. They would not be considered for the College Football Playoff. Let me repeat that - the ultimate prize if literally everything goes right and they have the best season in program history is the Bahamas Bowl. That, my fellow Zips fans, is why it's difficult for the average fan in Akron to get excited about the football team. Nobody cares about the Bahamas Bowl. Like all but 20-25 D1 teams, the Akron Zips football team has been eliminated from contention for the 2015-2016 National Championship before the season has even started. In comparison, a great season by Zips soccer will place them in the NCAA Tournament. Same goes for men's basketball. While they'd have to fight (likely) crappy seeding and might have odds stacked against them (mostly in basketball), they'd have a chance to win a National Championship. That's why I'm not opposed to Division II. Playing to have a shot at the D2 National Title is better than the Bahamas Bowl. It might even add a little excitement along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 The moment a team finishes undefeated and is left out of the playoffs, the playoffs will expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 The moment a team finishes undefeated and is left out of the playoffs, the playoffs will expand.I don't agree at all. Do you think the Power 5 give a crap about fairness to a mid-major program? They've gone out of their way to make sure a mid-major doesn't get in. Marshall went 13-1 last year and was 11-0 at one point before losing in overtime to Western Kentucky. Do you really think they would have been considered for the Playoff, or that the Power 5 would have been so worried about it (or worried about it at all) to immediately expand the Playoffs? It'd be thrown out as an anomaly, a product of a weak schedule, or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 ... That's why I'm not opposed to Division II. Playing to have a shot at the D2 National Title is better than the Bahamas Bowl. It might even add a little excitement along the way. Who knew that Colorado State-Pueblo beat Minnesota State-Mankato for last season's D-II national championship? Imagine the news coverage of the Zips in the midst of those playoffs being mentioned in the same breath with the likes of Slippery Rock and Lenoir-Rhyne. Nostalgic fans could always watch reruns of the Zips win over Pitt last season and remember what it was like to pull the occasional upset over a big-name team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Why mess around with D2 when Akron could be the undisputed king of D3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Let me repeat that - the ultimate prize if literally everything goes right and they have the best season in program history is the Bahamas Bowl. Incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Why mess around with D2 when Akron could be the undisputed king of D3?Why not just drop football altogether so we would never lose another football game again!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 On bathrooms alone, the new stadium should be drawing triple the attendance of the Rubber Bowl. The bathrooms are the nicest I have seem in a college football stadium. They are immaculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 The bathrooms are the nicest I have seem in a college football stadium. They are immaculate.There's our Zips football marketing campaign to grow attendance:Come experience the nicest, most immaculate bathrooms in college football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Incorrect.Then what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 In the fantasy season of the Zips beating Oklahoma and Pitt and convincingly winning every other regular season and MAC championship game, they would be highly ranked and a candidate for any bowl game outside of the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl or any bowl game that isn't locked into non-MAC conference opponents. Just glancing at the list of next season's bowl games, I'd say the top possibility would be the Jan. 1 Fiesta Bowl (At-Large vs. At-Large).Reality check: Fiesta Bowl representatives would look at the average attendance at Zips games, politely excuse themselves and quickly choose the top two opponents who would likely bring large numbers of fans to Glendale, AZ, as would all the other top bowl game reps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 In the fantasy season of the Zips beating Oklahoma and Pitt and convincingly winning every other regular season and MAC championship game, they would be highly ranked and a candidate for any bowl game outside of the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl or any bowl game that isn't locked into non-MAC conference opponents. Just glancing at the list of next season's bowl games, I'd say the top possibility would be the Jan. 1 Fiesta Bowl (At-Large vs. At-Large).Reality check: Fiesta Bowl representatives would look at the average attendance at Zips games, politely excuse themselves and quickly choose the top two opponents who would likely bring large numbers of fans to Glendale, AZ, as would all the other top bowl game reps.I'll take that scenario all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Reality check: Fiesta Bowl representatives would look at the average attendance at Zips games, politely excuse themselves and quickly choose the top two opponents who would likely bring large numbers of fans to Glendale, AZ, as would all the other top bowl game reps.Once again, incorrect. Maybe not the Fiesta Bowl, but if the Zips were to go undefeated, which would include a win over top 25 ranked Oklahoma and bowl bound Pitt as well as "everything else going their way", they would be a lock to be selected to a CFP (fomerly known as BCS) bowl game by being the highest ranked non-P5 team and there isn't anything any bowl rep can do to keep them from getting into one of them.You all are forgetting our friends in Portage County were some dumb TE reverse away from going to the Orange Bowl themselves a few seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Once again, incorrect. Maybe not the Fiesta Bowl, but if the Zips were to go undefeated, which would include a win over top 25 ranked Oklahoma and bowl bound Pitt as well as "everything else going their way", they would be a lock to be selected to a CFP (fomerly known as BCS) bowl game by being the highest ranked non-P5 team and there isn't anything any bowl rep can do to keep them from getting into one of them.You all are forgetting our friends in Portage County were some dumb TE reverse away from going to the Orange Bowl themselves a few seasons ago.Incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Incorrect.You sure about that?The highest-ranked champion from the "Group of Five" mid-major conferences (American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bids_to_college_bowl_games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 You sure about that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bids_to_college_bowl_games I was trolling you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Once again, incorrect. Maybe not the Fiesta Bowl, but if the Zips were to go undefeated, which would include a win over top 25 ranked Oklahoma and bowl bound Pitt as well as "everything else going their way", they would be a lock to be selected to a CFP (fomerly known as BCS) bowl game by being the highest ranked non-P5 team and there isn't anything any bowl rep can do to keep them from getting into one of them. ...Ah, I missed the guaranteed berth for the best of the Group of Five. But your scenario above is also incorrect. The Zips could have their miracle season and still not be the highest-ranked, non-P5 team if another non-P5 team had a similar miracle season and ended up higher in the polls. The Zips would have a chance but it wouldn't be guaranteed. It would all come down to voters in the polls, who would likely remember what happened the last time a MAC team went to a major bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Marshall went undefeated and missed out due to a creampuff schedule. If we won @ Oklahoma and beat Pitt again I couldn't see another non group of five topping that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Ah, I missed the guaranteed berth for the best of the Group of Five. But your scenario above is also incorrect. The Zips could have their miracle season and still not be the highest-ranked, non-P5 team if another non-P5 team had a similar miracle season and ended up higher in the polls. The Zips would have a chance but it wouldn't be guaranteed. It would all come down to voters in the polls, who would likely remember what happened the last time a MAC team went to a major bowl.I believe the stipulation was the ceiling "if everything went Akron's way", which i assume is synonymous with them being the highest ranked G5 team. To put it in perspective, Boise got the automatic bid last year being ranked 20th with two losses and not a single win over a P5 opponent.Marshall went undefeated and missed out due to a creampuff schedule. If we won @ Oklahoma and beat Pitt again I couldn't see another non group of five topping that.Marshall actually lost a barn-burner to WKU, but would have made it even with the weakest schedule in probably D-1 history. They somehow managed to avoid playing a single P5 opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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