Dave in Green Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't disagree that the 2 for 1 is a valid option under the right conditions and I don't believe that Coach Dambrot would disagree. Last night it would have made more sense if Noah was running the show. For starters, the Zips wouldn't have had to call a timeout. I think Coach Dambrot would have trusted Noah to bring the ball upcourt and get off a reasonable shot in about 10 seconds if it was available. Without Noah the number of things that could have gone wrong with the 2 for 1 strategy was increased.While all of us are making subjective calls on this, it's interesting to read a more objective analysis. Ken Pomeroy gave it his best try and started his commentary by saying:... to my knowledge, we really don’t have data regarding the real-world tradeoffs involved in a two-for-one. ... I must warn you, though, that this issue is a lot more complex than I thought before I started the research. ...So for those who don't want to get bogged down in a complex analysis, I'll quote KenPom's conclusion before the link to his analysis:... What does all this mean? The two-for-one is a complicated issue, and it generally doesn’t provide as much benefit as one might think. Like the fouling-up-3 conundrum, if the strategy is executed perfectly, a large benefit is likely. But players aren’t robots, and all of the imperfect acts that can disrupt the strategy eat away at the potential benefit. Assuming the average gain is a fifth of a point, that’s worth slightly less than one percent in terms of win probability at the end of a half. A coach implementing this strategy will win one extra game out of 100 - and that’s out of 100 games where a two-for-one opportunity exists! ...... However, in the college game, the two-for-one at the end of the half doesn’t present a huge advantage. It’s an advantage, sure, and I’d bet coaches worry about things that give them even smaller edges. But after going through this analysis, I’m going to move the two-for-one down on my list of strategic outrages.Investigating the value of two-for-ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Toledo can have this last-second shot. But it doesn't beat Humpty's against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbrooman1 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I understand all the discussion about Antino's extended minutes last night (although he came out just a little over a minute after the media timeout), but you just can't have Walters (as well as he played) out there in a position to take a crucial shot in the last two minutes. Evans or Deji should have been in the game at that point in my humble opinion. Surely Nyles can play point guard for a possession or two. Oh well, Go Zips! Beat the Redhawks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I understand all the discussion about Antino's extended minutes last night (although he came out just a little over a minute after the media timeout), but you just can't have Walters (as well as he played) out there in a position to take a crucial shot in the last two minutes. Evans or Deji should have been in the game at that point in my humble opinion. Surely Nyles can play point guard for a possession or two. Oh well, Go Zips! Beat the Redhawks!I noticed the same thing with Walters waiting at the scorer's table than the media timeout being called, and I figured that would give Antino the break he needed.Not to sound like the old man I am, but I don't remember players ever asking out back in the day.I really like Walters, but his biggest challenge is going to be to develop a consistent shot. Right now, it is questionable even in warmups. With minutes under him, that will be exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Skip, you need to re-read my post. I said it was an interesting option but pointed out the problems of the Zips trying to go 2 for 1 in this specific case as others have also done. The 2 for 1 is not a slam dunk or coaches would automatically use it every time the opportunity arose. It depends on a lot of variables, some of which I mentioned in my earlier post. If I had a nickle for every time a basketball coach passed on a 2 for 1 opportunity I'd be out of this NEO deep freeze right now cruising in the Bahamas on my luxury yacht. Sorry Dave, don't have time to read everything, but I have already pointed out that there's plenty of variables, and never said that I'd do it no matter what the situation. I'll just point out again that last night's situation was a pretty favorable one. Yes, we'd both be in the Bahamas right now, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Toledo can have this last-second shot. But it doesn't beat Humpty's against them. Or, Brett McKnight's shot in the overtime period directly after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 What I take away from this game is that Tino will be a legit D1 point guard.He played very well, and will only get better.At the end of the game Deji should have been on Juice. He is athletic and has those extra long arms, he would have at least had a shot to get a piece of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 What I take away from this game is that Tino will be a legit D1 point guard.He played very well, and will only get better.At the end of the game Deji should have been on Juice. He is athletic and has those extra long arms, he would have at least had a shot to get a piece of the ball.I feel a lot better about Antino today than I did yesterday. He's gonna be a difference maker.Re: Deji - I would have loved to see him in at the end for offensive purposes, but honestly, Malcolm played dang near perfect D on that shot. Fought through the screen and stuck with him with a hand in his face. Sometimes, the other guy is just better and Juice deserves the credit for knocking that down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Best dunk I have seen at the JAR in a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Couple of thoughts: Toledo must be the LEAST smack-talking team I've seen in a long time (re: the Weatherspoon dunk as testimony), and they could easily be at the other end of the spectrum -- good coaching! Props to Michael Reghi for being the first TV head to pronounce Antino's name properly throughout the contest. He must have asked! Oh, also, he mentioned that he thought Weatherspoon and Drummond played against each other in the NCAA tournament (OSU vs Loyola MD). If that's true, it was quite a "find". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Though not in a game, my favorite Zips dunk is this Pat to Deji with an assist from the wall: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbrooman1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Couple of thoughts: Toledo must be the LEAST smack-talking team I've seen in a long time (re: the Weatherspoon dunk as testimony), and they could easily be at the other end of the spectrum -- good coaching! Props to Michael Reghi for being the first TV head to pronounce Antino's name properly throughout the contest. He must have asked! Oh, also, he mentioned that he thought Weatherspoon and Drummond played against each other in the NCAA tournament (OSU vs Loyola MD). If that's true, it was quite a "find". Don't give Reghi too much credit. It took him a couple of games to get it right. During the Can't game he made a point of telling the audience that Jackson's name wasn't Antonio and proceeded to call him AnTEEno the rest of the game. Probably a common mistake, but still wrong. There's a pronunciation guide in every media game notes put out by the school. He probably got corrected after the Can't game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Don't give Reghi too much credit. It took him a couple of games to get it right. During the Can't game he made a point of telling the audience that Jackson's name wasn't Antonio and proceeded to call him AnTEEno the rest of the game. Probably a common mistake, but still wrong. There's a pronunciation guide in every media game notes put out by the school. He probably got corrected after the Can't game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Best dunk I have seen at the JAR in a decade. I would love to find a video of the second one too. That was pretty special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Saw Humpty toss one up for Jimmy Conyers that made the ground shake. Dru to Quade as well. Milum had some big time dunks. Probably possessed the best hops I've seen in any Zip although Deji ain't no slouch in his own right.Quade:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7eV_m-mIbA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Saw Humpty toss one up for Jimmy Conyers that made the ground shake. Dru to Quade as well. Milum had some big time dunks. Probably possessed the best hops I've seen in any Zip although Deji ain't no slouch in his own right.Speaking of Quade, were people aware that he played for the Globetrotters for a couple years under the name of "Quake"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I miss the earthquades 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbrooman1 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Great ad in the ABJ today for the Toledo game. Does anybody over there read their own newspaper? After Willie Alvarez, last weekend's "Central Michigan" headline score and today maybe we should start an ABJ/media snafu thread? Or maybe it will be too full all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Great ad in the ABJ today for the Toledo game. Does anybody over there read their own newspaper? After Willie Alvarez, last weekend's "Central Michigan" headline score and today maybe we should start an ABJ/media snafu thread? Or maybe it will be too full all the time.Wow. I'm looking at it right now. But, did they mistakenly put the previous game's ad in there? Or, did we mistakenly submit the wrong one?Still.....you'd think someone at the paper would have noticed it before it went to print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Wow. I'm looking at it right now. But, did they mistakenly put the previous game's ad in there? Or, did we mistakenly submit the wrong one?Still.....you'd think someone at the paper would have noticed it before it went to print. Having worked at a paper...when we proofread the copy before sending it to print, we checked everything...including the ads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Ohio.com had an ad for a game two days after it had been played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Having worked at a paper...when we proofread the copy before sending it to print, we checked everything...including the ads. Based on how bad the ABJ is, I'm gonna say that they are the ones that screwed up. Sure things get proofread but that doesn't mean things don't slip through the cracks... you know, like key players names in a game, headlines...things like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not surprised by the below-average attendance as it was just simply... dangerously... brutally cold outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Saw Humpty toss one up for Jimmy Conyers that made the ground shake. Dru to Quade as well. Milum had some big time dunks. Probably possessed the best hops I've seen in any Zip although Deji ain't no slouch in his own right.Gotta give best hops to J Ball. Best dunk I have seen at the JAR was Antonio Daniels when he played for BG. Anthony Bufford was probably the Zip that hit the rim the hardest on a dunk...but maybe I was impressionable back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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