LZIp Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said: This is not at all true. I'm not going into details, but I can promise you it had nothing to do with on-court stuff and I'm OK with Willie going elsewhere, as talented as he is. Thanks for the clarification. I am not pretending to know, just going off of what others have said, including the article below by EA, http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2017/01/missouri_transfer_willie_jacks.html Edited March 12, 2017 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 9 hours ago, Valpo Zip said: Dambrot will NOT and should NOT get fired. let's put that to rest. We can't afford eating the rest of his 10 year contract, we can't afford upsetting Lebron, and great coaches are not dying to come coach at Akron. That being said, we need to stop worshiping him and he needs to feel some pressure. Here are a few starting points: 1 - He can't keep scheduling his way to get an inflated number of wins every year. We can't celebrate having x 21 win seasons when we all know it is fool's gold. The AD needs to step in and make him schedule better. 2 - He needs to hire better staff members, it is not Akron's problem to make sure that all his ex-players have good paying jobs. All his assistants are his ex-players and all what they know about college basketball is what they learned from him. Who is going to draw a new play when you need one? 3 - Hire an assistant coach who can coach post players. We don't have one. 4 - Practice free throws...it is EMBARRASSING! year after year after year. 5 - Stop this nonsense of being loyal to upperclassmen and playing them no matter how terrible they are. You play the best players on your roster. (Utomi over Kwan will be a good example). 1-Not going to even get into this debate again, but it's been shown in the past that scheduling has improved over the years. 2-Shaka Smart did pretty well for himself. Jeff Boals moved on to OSU. Rick McFadden is currently being looked at as a head coach by several schools. Couldn't disagree more on the quality of assistants. 3-I'm not at practice (and I know you aren't either) so who knows, but Zeke Marshall, Big Dog, and Pat Forsythe had pretty nice careers. 4-I'm sure they practice free throws. 5-Ivey (Soph), Williams (Soph), TDM (Fresh), Utomi (Fresh), and Olojakpoke (Fresh) all played significant minutes throughout the season and last night in the championship game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 12 hours ago, NCHoover88 said: Now before we go burning the guy that turned our basketball program around, let's keep in mind that an average Kent player had the game of his life and we missed a lot of good looks, it's that simple. Coaches don't shoot the ball, they put guys in good spots to get good looks. We got good looks, we uncharacteristically shot the ball poorly. Welcome to the board! Glad you're chipping in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said: Rick McFadden is currently being looked at as a head coach by several schools. Help me out here, so that you aren't exaggerating to prove a point. Other than a random Sportswriter who mentioned his name in a list of people that he thought could be candidates for the YSU job, where is there any evidence anywhere that he's a candidate for any job, and when did this suddenly become "several schools"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, NCHoover88 said: Now before we go burning the guy that turned our basketball program around, let's keep in mind that an average Kent player had the game of his life and we missed a lot of good looks, it's that simple. Coaches don't shoot the ball, they put guys in good spots to get good looks. We got good looks, we uncharacteristically shot the ball poorly. i don't see anything average about jaylin walker...i'd luv to have that kid on the zips...i said it before..this is your ceiling with dambrot...never win a ncaa game under him...just not gonna happen...as far as the mac reg season, the only thing i can tell it determines is whether you play four or 3 games to win the mac... Edited March 12, 2017 by mivid12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 11 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said: ...and the solution is? Remember, for every successful young up and comer there's a Coleman Crawford or Dan Hipsher. Be damn careful what you wish for. or maybe shaka smart? maybe this program will take two steps forward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, zippy5 said: Go away why? he's entitled to his opine 10 hours ago, skip-zip said: You're right. Lets at least remind everyone of this... MAC Tournament Titles in last 10 years. Akron - 3 OU - 2 Kent - 2 Buffalo - 2 WMU - 1 Miami - 1 And nobody is even remotely close to our number of Tournament Final appearances. and that's got akron what? 6 pee down your leg losses & ZERO ncaa tournament wins Edited March 12, 2017 by mivid12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 11 hours ago, skip-zip said: You're right. Lets at least remind everyone of this... MAC Tournament Titles in last 10 years. Akron - 3 OU - 2 (both against Akron) Kent - 2 (both against Akron) Buffalo - 2 (one against akron) WMU - 1 Miami - 1 (against Akron) And nobody is even remotely close to our number of Tournament Final appearances. I think what people are upset about is who those Titles were won against. BOTH of Kent's were won against us. BOTH of OU's were won against us. One of Buffalo's and Miami's was won against us. Especially considering when we were the top ranked team in some of those losses. I mean, you can see where people are upset. Why does it matter if you get to the MAC C if you're going to end up losing it most of the time? Kinda hard to get excited about Zips basketball when we always lose whenever it matters. It's exhausting to watch the same old story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: Help me out here, so that you aren't exaggerating to prove a point. Other than a random Sportswriter who mentioned his name in a list of people that he thought could be candidates for the YSU job, where is there any evidence anywhere that he's a candidate for any job, and when did this suddenly become "several schools"? He's been mentioned with Youngstown State, Cleveland State, and Miami already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, Balsy said: I think what people are upset about is who those Titles were won against. BOTH of Kent's were won against us. BOTH of OU's were won against us. One of Buffalo's and Miami's was won against us. Especially considering when we were the top ranked team in some of those losses. I mean, you can see where people are upset. Why does it matter if you get to the MAC C if you're going to end up losing it most of the time? Kinda hard to get excited about Zips basketball when we always lose whenever it matters. It's exhausting to watch the same old story. To expand: L, 53-52 to Miami L, 74-55 to Kent W, 65-53 over Buffalo L, 81-75 to Ohio W, 66-65 over Kent L, 64-63 to Ohio W, 65-46 over Ohio L, 64-61 to Buffalo L,70-65 to Kent You can look at that a few ways: 1-We are 3-6 in MACC games, which is not good and should be better. 2-As skip-zip pointed out, we've won more MAC Titles in the last 10 years than anyone else. Combined with our number of Finals appearances, we're the best program - on paper - over the last 10 years. 3-The 9 title game appearances and 3 titles have been great, but damn, it would have been nice to win 1 or 2 more of those, at least. I'm in group #3. I'm proud of our accomplishments and wouldn't trade our results with anyone else in the MAC, but I also want more now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyolcrowe Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, UAZip0510 said: He's been mentioned with Youngstown State, Cleveland State, and Miami already. I've only seen YSU. No mention of CSU or Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 I'm not pleased at how this season ended or many of the previous season endings. That being said, you have to be realistic in your expectations. Sure, there's room for improvement, but does anyone realistically think that UA is going to make a change? KD has won and won and won, and the school's most visible benefactor will always be in his corner. He's not going anywhere, so cool your jets Zips fans. Sure, there can be a reassessment of the recruiting process, a review of the assistants and a revamp of how they perform in the post-season, but it's going to be on KD's watch. The only way KD moves on is on his terms. As for an assessment of the season, my greatest frustration is that I saw no improvement as the season went on. If anything, they regressed. From game one to last night, they never figured out how to defend dribble penetration. They did an awful job with defending the pick and roll all season. Big Dog continued to attempt to defend guys with 10 foot shooting ranges 20 feet from the basket. Teams figured out how to defend Kwan and no adjustments were ever made to counter what the defense was doing. Players like Josh Williams and Aron Jackson regressed and no player appeared to get better as the season went on. In the end, far from perfect and things to work on, but jumping ship isn't the answer or even a possibility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Scrolling through this thread I see several Bowden apologists being critical of Dambrot... I'm disappointed as anyone with how this season turned out. I'm losing faith that we will ever see Dambrot win a NCAAT game, which is a damn shame because there have been lesser coaches that have achieved that feat. Regardless, of how the final x-number of years of his career play out, he's going to go down as Akron's greatest basketball coach. Looking down the road 10, 20, 30 years from now when the Zips have trouble making it past the 1st round of the MAC tournament, which is bound to happen at some point, that's when we'll realize how good we had it under Dambrot. Edited March 12, 2017 by kreed5120 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Clark is right. Firing Keith would be a PR nightmare. The most famous basketball player in the world would be throwing the University under the bus for that decision. What effect do you think that would have on the next coach's ability to recruit and take the program to the next level? I mean, damn. I am pi$$ed off we lost too, but talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Also, let's not forget, the players have a role in this. I don't think KD and his coaching staff are going to stop a kid from taking a leadership role or showing a little fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Looking down the road 10, 20, 30 years from now when the Zips have trouble making it past the 1st round, which is bound to happen at some point, that's when we'll realize how good we had it under Dambrot. Bound to happen? It's a reality for many schools in our league right now, and we've been there ourselves. We went from 1992 to 2004 with ONE MAC tournament win. No, not a title win. Winning ONE SINGLE game....total...in all of those MAC Tourney appearances. So, for all of the schools who have done nothing in the MAC Tournament over the period where we've had the most title game appearances (9) and most titles (3), we can only feel so fortunate that we're not in their shoes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Spin said: Do CSU and YSU still have coaches? Slocum(YSU) & Waters(CSU) retired. There's a topic on this already with a lot of information on it. I don't want to repeat it on this topic. As for this topic, be careful what you wish for. Dambrot should NOT be fired. Did he get outcoached last night? Probably. Did we probably focus in too much on Big Dog? Most likely. Did we peak too early? It seems that way. But that's the game of basketball. But does that mean we shouldn't make any changes? ABSOLUTELY NOT. We need changes. The players may need to hear a different personality/voice at practice. I hope McFadden gets the job at YSU and takes some staff with him. Then hopefully Dambrot brings in some "outsider" pieces to the program. Also, I agree we need to change up the schedule. However, if you remember correctly, GoZips mentioned in the past that we're having a hard time getting "non-cupcakes" to come to the JAR. Personally, I much rather us have 2-3 non-conference home games, and be on the road for 8-9 non-conference road games if that means we play a better non-conference schedule and get us ready for the MAC. It may be ugly for a couple years in regards to W-L record, but it should get us out of this quicksand we're in right now. Edited March 12, 2017 by mes102 Clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Yes, be careful what you wish for, indeed. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/usf-may-be-targeting-lebron-james-prep-coach/2316297 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, skip-zip said: Yes, be careful what you wish for, indeed. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/usf-may-be-targeting-lebron-james-prep-coach/2316297 That would suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyolcrowe Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 45 minutes ago, skip-zip said: Yes, be careful what you wish for, indeed. http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/usf-may-be-targeting-lebron-james-prep-coach/2316297 Oh, I don't know. Maybe a coach who's happy to be in his hometown, has been coaching there for 13 years, and would have probably left a long time ago if that was what "all MAC coaches want to do"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 If they would only read Zipsnation...They would know what is mistake this would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Those articles are hilariously presumptious. Just because Dambrot is on USF's short list doesn't mean USF is at all interesting to Dambrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said: Those articles are hilariously presumptious. Just because Dambrot is on USF's short list doesn't mean USF is at all interesting to Dambrot. Sure, a 58 year old coach would chomp at the bit to uproot his life and family to relocate to coach a 7 win team. Makes all the sense in the world. Mayne they got it wrong and they're chasing Dru Joyce. Edited March 12, 2017 by clarkwgriswold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said: Those articles are hilariously presumptious. Just because Dambrot is on USF's short list doesn't mean USF is at all interesting to Dambrot. Or was it leaked by someone at Akron U? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, dirtyolcrowe said: I've only seen YSU. No mention of CSU or Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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