Search For The Next Head Coach

[Blackburn]

5 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

I think the point was that since KD is gone any previous dispute with him to many of us is irrelevant.

 

I guess my point was misunderstood... 

 

Paris left Akron before, IF memory is correct. Would he be that interested? Is that not relevant? And to some on this board, a guy that would be eager to leave at first chance would put us back in the 'mid-major' mode of a coaching carousal. For the record, I am not one of those people. 

[zippy5]

Depends if his beef if any was with Akron or KD. I'd assume it'd be a relatively short convo if it was with Akron

Edited March 30, 2017 by zippy5

[Blackburn]

16 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

Depends if his beef if any was with Akron or KD. I'd assume it'd be a relatively short convo if it was with Akron

 

And there is the reason I asked if anyone knew about it since I am going off memory... 

[morris buttermaker]

3 hours ago, LZIp said:

 

As for you calling bullshit about good sports teams attracting students, donors, etc., I will simply leave this.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/a-cinderella-story-how-universities-benefit-from-being-an-ncaa-tournament-underdog

I would say none of those schools resemble Akron... I do think it moves the needle for certain schools. We see how years of sustained success has moved the needle here-- not at all, and perhaps the university has even moved in the other direction.

 I don't think you can pay a premium  for a coach in hopes of a sweet 16 or elite 8 run, hoping the needle moves. Not at a cash strapped public university.

 

if Akron had the money to make the hires that 90% of this board wants to make or spend, I would be all for it... but they don't, and to pretend they do is irresponsible by the powers that be.

[ZippyRulz]

50 minutes ago, Blackburn said:

We better not be hiring a Search Firm for this... any word of that?

 

It was mentioned in the elton alexander column.

 

[mes102]

Nick McDevitt is still my top choice. Matt Figger was another of my top choices, but he just got hired as head coach at Austin Peay.  Baker Dunlevy was my top choice, but he got hired by Quinnipiac before ours opened, so it never was a possibility anyway.

 

If not McDevitt, my next choice would be Lamont Paris. Travis Steele at Xavier too. I want to try and stay away from major power assistant coaches like Jerrance Howard at Kansas. Hard to tell if a move from a penthouse to townhouse would go well(P5 to mid-major analogy if anyone doesn't get it).

Edited March 30, 2017 by mes102

[Blackburn]

21 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said:

 

It was mentioned in the elton alexander column.

 

 

11 minutes ago, mes102 said:

Nick McDevitt is still my top choice. Matt Figger was another of my top choices, but he just got hired as head coach at Austin Peay.  Baker Dunlevy was my top choice, but he got hired by Quinnipiac before ours opened, so it never was a possibility anyway.

 

If not McDevitt, my next choice would be Lamont Paris. Travis Steele at Xavier too. I want to try and state away from major power assistant coaches like Jerrance Howard at Kansas. Hard to tell if a move from a penthouse to townhouse would go well(P5 to mid-major analogy if anyone doesn't get it).

 

 

[Valpo Zip]

2 hours ago, Blackburn said:

 

Paris left Akron before, IF memory is correct. Would he be that interested? Is that not relevant? And to some on this board, a guy that would be eager to leave at first chance would put us back in the 'mid-major' mode of a coaching carousal. For the record, I am not one of those people. 

 

Any coach we hire will leave us at first chance. We need to get over that.

A coach moving up will leave the program in a better place. It happened in VCU, Dayton, Xavier, Butler. Why not Akron?

My dream coach will be someone who would coach here for a few years and do amazing things and get poached by Syracuse or Duke in 2022.  

[mes102]

33 minutes ago, Blackburn said:

 

 

 

 

Article/Bio on Mr. Sugiyama http://www.dhrinternational.com/about/news-media/glenn-sugiyama-visionary-collegiate-arena/

[Blackburn]

8 minutes ago, Valpo Zip said:

 

Any coach we hire will leave us at first chance. We need to get over that.

A coach moving up will leave the program in a better place. It happened in VCU, Dayton, Xavier, Butler. Why not Akron?

My dream coach will be someone who would coach here for a few years and do amazing things and get poached by Syracuse or Duke in 2022.  

 

I feel the same way... Others on here have voiced their concern about this.

 

I see the positive about someone doing a good enough job to move up and onward! 

[akronzips71]

1 hour ago, morris buttermaker said:

I would say none of those schools resemble Akron... I do think it moves the needle for certain schools. We see how years of sustained success has moved the needle here-- not at all, and perhaps the university has even moved in the other direction.

 I don't think you can pay a premium  for a coach in hopes of a sweet 16 or elite 8 run, hoping the needle moves. Not at a cash strapped public university.

 

if Akron had the money to make the hires that 90% of this board wants to make or spend, I would be all for it... but they don't, and to pretend they do is irresponsible by the powers that be.

 

Unless you are actually the president of the University in disguise, you need to stop worrying about their money.

Basketball and Football are the public face of the University, NOT the EJ Thomas Performing Arts whatever.

Take a look at what out of State tuition costs. It is a question of where they spend the money, not a question of having money.
The cost of a basketball head coach is a drop in the bucket.

[akronzips71]

Just remember, nothing is impossible. You just have to want it bad enough:

 

All-America - Division II (1960's)

1966-67 ALL-AMERICA TEAM

FIRST TEAMSECOND TEAMTHIRD TEAM

Walt Frazier, Southern Illinois
     John Dickson, Arkansas State
     Jerry Newsome, Indiana State

Sam Smith, Kentucky Wesleyan
     Larry Newbold, Long Island
     John Rinka, Kenyon

Earl Monroe, Winstom-Salem State
     Otto Moore, Pan American
     Don Garlos, Otterbein 

Bill Turner, Akron
     John Godfrey, Abilene Christian
     Al Skalicky, San Diego State

Phil Jackson, North Dakota

 

Bad formatting, first team: Bill Turner (Akron), Earl Monroe, Phil Jackson, Walt Frazier. Just in case people forgot.

[Z.I.P.]

3 hours ago, akronzips71 said:

 

Bad formatting, first team: Bill Turner (Akron), Earl Monroe, Phil Jackson, Walt Frazier. Just in case people forgot.

Three of the four are in the Hall of Fame.  Whatever happened to Billy Turner?  St Louis Hawks?

[Z.I.P.]

Besides the search firm hire, late night tweets indicate none of the departed coaches will be interviewed.  So says the rumor mill.  

[Z.I.P.]

5 hours ago, NWAkron said:

Reports of John Groce to Dayton.  

Wow!  I just think that's a weak hire.  Little MAC success, B1G failure.

[Balsy]

13 hours ago, LZIp said:

As for you calling bullshit about good sports teams attracting students, donors, etc., I will simply leave this.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/a-cinderella-story-how-universities-benefit-from-being-an-ncaa-tournament-underdog

 

That's exactly why I said, besides a few isolated cases, mostly that are the top percentile.  Theres what 347 D-I basketball programs?  The article cherry-picks 3, 4 schools that fit the mold of a Cinderella story...it does not represent the reality, and that's the bullshit I"m calling out. 

 

I mean objectively looking at the article you should be skeptical of the claim.  Dr. Robert Baker says himself admitted that there isn't statistical proof (evidence) to support the correlation, which makes any claim to the correlation nothing more than noise.  And Dr. Baker isn't without bias, he's the director of sports management at George Mason, he's not some independent researcher with a defined set of criteria doing a study.  He has something to gain by making the claim, which is justification for the spending.

 

I mean even looking at the graphs presented there, they DONT support the claim.  They cherry pick the attendance over a three-year span and make a claim to it, which isn't scientific.  You need to show the trend over many years, preferably decades, to see how significant/insignificant the rise is.

 

And that in upon itself is without a debate about the validity of more students applying from in-state/out-of-state because of exposure = justification of the spending.  I don't believe it does.  Assign a dollar amount to every student, and assess it to the outgoing dollars spent (which they don't do in the article, nor Dr. Baker discusses).  I guarantee other than the top 100th percentile of schools, the cost will out weight the gain.  

 

People use those examples as justification for spending millions upon millions of dollars, gambling at the chance of becoming a Cinderella Story.  Might be better off going to a casino.

 

I love the Zips but I am not willing to compromise reality and rationality because of it.

Edited March 30, 2017 by Balsy

[skip-zip]

9 hours ago, Blue & Gold said:

 

 

Do ya think this guy meant to type WEIGAND and THOMAS?  Geez.

 

I'll say a couple of things about Terry.  I don't know him well, but he might be the best choice for those looking for continuity and loyalty.   He's always coached in Ohio, he's older, and he's from Barberton.  He even has some head coaching experience as Keith's successor back at Ashland.  And he's been here for a long time now.  If he has a great relationship with our current players, this could be a good choice, although I am hoping we might be targeting some at a higher echelon.  But, this "hire from within" philosophy has certainly kept the school in Portage County near the top of the MAC over the years.  

[Blue & Gold]

10 hours ago, zippy5 said:

And as we all know message board posters are the smartest.

It's true. They always are 

[Blue & Gold]

10 hours ago, Blackburn said:

We better not be hiring a Search Firm for this... any word of that?

Pretty sure we are.  I read it on one of the posted articles.  But didn't Larry say he was taking the lead & the search firm was more or less to do background checks?  Idk, it's been a whirlwind the last few days.

[clarkwgriswold]

Strange that we have to wish for a guy that won' be here long term, but that's the nature of the beast.  Success leads to moving on at this level.  Otherwise, you end up with....Rob Senderoff.

[zippy5]

We were the exception with having a successful coach stay at our level for so long. Unfortunately, that most likely won't happen again. Make a great hire, and do it again in 4-5 years.

[Balsy]

13 hours ago, akronzips71 said:

The two of you need to leave. You are NOT fans.

 

The comment made by someone who can't think of a substantive response to a criticism levied against him.  Ironically I sit here drinking coffee from my Akron Zips "Z" mug typing this. 

[skip-zip]

11 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

We were the exception with having a successful coach stay at our level for so long. Unfortunately, that most likely won't happen again. Make a great hire, and do it again in 4-5 years.

 

That's probably the best scenario you can hope for.  

[Hilltopper]

I seriously doubt that our next hire will be anyone from the Keith Dambrot coaching tree.

[LZIp]

3 hours ago, Balsy said:

 

That's exactly why I said, besides a few isolated cases, mostly that are the top percentile.  Theres what 347 D-I basketball programs?  The article cherry-picks 3, 4 schools that fit the mold of a Cinderella story...it does not represent the reality, and that's the bullshit I"m calling out. 

 

I mean objectively looking at the article you should be skeptical of the claim.  Dr. Robert Baker says himself admitted that there isn't statistical proof (evidence) to support the correlation, which makes any claim to the correlation nothing more than noise.  And Dr. Baker isn't without bias, he's the director of sports management at George Mason, he's not some independent researcher with a defined set of criteria doing a study.  He has something to gain by making the claim, which is justification for the spending.

 

I mean even looking at the graphs presented there, they DONT support the claim.  They cherry pick the attendance over a three-year span and make a claim to it, which isn't scientific.  You need to show the trend over many years, preferably decades, to see how significant/insignificant the rise is.

 

And that in upon itself is without a debate about the validity of more students applying from in-state/out-of-state because of exposure = justification of the spending.  I don't believe it does.  Assign a dollar amount to every student, and assess it to the outgoing dollars spent (which they don't do in the article, nor Dr. Baker discusses).  I guarantee other than the top 100th percentile of schools, the cost will out weight the gain.  

 

People use those examples as justification for spending millions upon millions of dollars, gambling at the chance of becoming a Cinderella Story.  Might be better off going to a casino.

 

I love the Zips but I am not willing to compromise reality and rationality because of it.

Saying that sports results at Akron have never attracted a single student or benefactor is unsubstantiated and flat out wrong. I'm sure all of those large spikes in donations and applications/enrollment for those schools were just coincidences

Edited March 30, 2017 by LZIp