GP1 Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 14 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: I can barely stay awake looking at this list of desperate losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 (edited) 14 hours ago, 72 Roo said: CUSA looks downright ugly. I hope WKU comes to the MAC very soon. It makes more sense than staying in CUSA. 💯 Total Frankenconference. I'd like WKU but I'm fine with the MAC expanding northeastwardly. Edited May 11 by ZippyRulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 On 5/11/2024 at 11:58 AM, ZippyRulz said: 💯 Total Frankenconference. I'd like WKU but I'm fine with the MAC expanding northeastwardly. The MAC did just that with the addition of UMASS, but I'd say most people on this site were at a minumum underwhelmed by that move. If expansion is done to increase regional exposure and subsequently improve TV audience/ratings, I'm not sure how much a university like WKU adds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 On 5/11/2024 at 9:33 AM, GP1 said: I can barely stay awake looking at this list of desperate losers. It's sad to say but if a university is not in the Power4, we're all desperate "losers" in tems of athletics. What C-USA has on the MAC is population. Too many MAC universities are in real trouble with a decline in enrollment. Similarily, remember back when we all used to laugh at the Sunbelt in the ealry 2000s? Seems like the Sunbelt has the advantage now, and part of that is a rich recruiting territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 4 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: It's sad to say but if a university is not in the Power4, we're all desperate "losers" in tems of athletics. What C-USA has on the MAC is population. Too many MAC universities are in real trouble with a decline in enrollment. Similarily, remember back when we all used to laugh at the Sunbelt in the ealry 2000s? Seems like the Sunbelt has the advantage now, and part of that is a rich recruiting territory. Respectfully, population has nothing to do with the Sun Belt's success. The SBC made a decision to apply sanity to how they schedule games. The decision prioritized conference games and winning over money. It's no more complex than this. They are succeeding on purpose. The MAC has prioritized money over winning. The MAC is failing on purpose. I don't know enough about cusa, nor do I care enough about cusa, to know what they prioritize. My guess is it's money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 14 hours ago, GP1 said: Respectfully, population has nothing to do with the Sun Belt's success. The SBC made a decision to apply sanity to how they schedule games. The decision prioritized conference games and winning over money. It's no more complex than this. They are succeeding on purpose. The MAC has prioritized money over winning. The MAC is failing on purpose. I don't know enough about cusa, nor do I care enough about cusa, to know what they prioritize. My guess is it's money. I assume when you mention "money over winning" that you're talking about the payday football games with the Power4? Outside of that revenue I'm not sure how the MAC makes any money at all. Isn't the MAC media payout to each university like 600K? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said: I assume when you mention "money over winning" that you're talking about the payday football games with the Power4? Outside of that revenue I'm not sure how the MAC makes any money at all. Isn't the MAC media payout to each university like 600K? Yes. Payday games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoZip Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, GP1 said: Yes. Payday games. Are you implying that the SBC teams don’t play payday games? If so, you are dead wrong. All G5 teams schedule them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 14 minutes ago, MangoZip said: Are you implying that the SBC teams don’t play payday games? If so, you are dead wrong. All G5 teams schedule them. That's not what I'm implying. The conference has a defined strategy they agreed upon. They each play one payday game, one G5 game, one P5 and 9 conference games. For example, this coming season Appalachian State plays East Tennessee, Clemson and Marshall (CUSA). That's a solid ooc schedule. One guaranteed win, one P5 game a short bus ride to Clemson, and a game against an old rival from their I-AA days. I'd be happy with this if I was an Appalachian State alum. This conference strategy introduces an opportunity to better compete in 1-3 more games and opens up opportunities for more wins. It's why they have so many teams with at least 6 wins and in bowl games. I don't care if they are bad bowls or not. Bowls are good for the athletes students alumni fans and general community around the schools. Winning = good. Losing = bad. The SBC tries to win. The MAC isn't trying to win. Those of you who pay to go to the games are having your money stolen from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GP1 said: That's not what I'm implying. The conference has a defined strategy they agreed upon. They each play one payday game, one G5 game, one P5 and 9 conference games. For example, this coming season Appalachian State plays East Tennessee, Clemson and Marshall (CUSA). That's a solid ooc schedule. One guaranteed win, one P5 game a short bus ride to Clemson, and a game against an old rival from their I-AA days. I'd be happy with this if I was an Appalachian State alum. This conference strategy introduces an opportunity to better compete in 1-3 more games and opens up opportunities for more wins. It's why they have so many teams with at least 6 wins and in bowl games. I don't care if they are bad bowls or not. Bowls are good for the athletes students alumni fans and general community around the schools. Winning = good. Losing = bad. The SBC tries to win. The MAC isn't trying to win. Those of you who pay to go to the games are having your money stolen from you. Marshall is in the SunBelt. Also, they play 4 OOC games, not 3. App State OOC schedule is as follows. ETSU @Clemson @East Carolina Liberty Edited May 14 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 7 minutes ago, GP1 said: That's not what I'm implying. The conference has a defined strategy they agreed upon. They each play one payday game, one G5 game, one P5 and 9 conference games. For example, this coming season Appalachian State plays East Tennessee, Clemson and Marshall (CUSA). That's a solid ooc schedule. One guaranteed win, one P5 game a short bus ride to Clemson, and a game against an old rival from their I-AA days. I'd be happy with this if I was an Appalachian State alum. This conference strategy introduces an opportunity to better compete in 1-3 more games and opens up opportunities for more wins. It's why they have so many teams with at least 6 wins and in bowl games. I don't care if they are bad bowls or not. Bowls are good for the athletes students alumni fans and general community around the schools. Winning = good. Losing = bad. The SBC tries to win. The MAC isn't trying to win. Those of you who pay to go to the games are having your money stolen from you. Each plays 8 conference games this year and the POC schedules vary. From the schools I looked at... App State: 1 FCS, 1 P5 (Pay Game), 2 G5 Coastal Carolina: 1 FCS, 1 P5, 2 G5 James Madison: 1 FCS, 1 P5 (Pay Game), 2 G5 Marshall: 1 FCS, 2 P5, 1 G5 Old Dominion: 2 P5, 2 G5 South Alabama: 1 FCS, 1 P5, 2 G5 Troy: 2 G5, 1 P5, 1 HBCU For comparison... Akron: 1 FCS, 3 P5 Kent: 1 FCS, 3 P5 Miami: 3 P5 (Cincy presumably was not P5 when scheduled), 1 G5 NIU: 1 FCS, 2 P5, 1 G5 Ohio: 1 FCS, 2 P5, 1 G5 Toledo: 1 FCS, 1 P5, 2 G5 WMU: 2 P5, 1 G5, 1 HBCU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 There's a word that starts with P that would be the perfect way to describe the SEC and probably the other power conference schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 5 hours ago, kreed5120 said: Marshall is in the SunBelt. Also, they play 4 OOC games, not 3. App State OOC schedule is as follows. ETSU @Clemson @East Carolina Liberty You are correct. I thought they were still in CUSA. You sure about Liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, GP1 said: You are correct. I thought they were still in CUSA. You sure about Liberty. Liberty is in C-USA. They were added to the conference after the C-USA schools bolted for the SunBelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 49 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Liberty is in C-USA. They were added to the conference after the C-USA schools bolted for the SunBelt. Good. So, four ooc games. Only one payday, one FCS and two G5. I'd take that. I'd much prefer 9 conference games. Regardless, the SBC still shows it is prioritizing winning over money. The MAC isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 More pansy 💩 from Power Conference teams, this time from 4-8 Wake Forest. 1-7 in conference so I'm not sure where Clawson gets off on feeling superior to most G5s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Guy is a fraud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 8 hours ago, zippy5 said: Guy is a fraud He's a good coach at a historically horrid program. Excluding the COVID season, he had 6 winning seasons in nine. With that said, 10 years is a long time to be somewhere and he might have run out of time after the Hartman era. Recruiting has been poor and the lack of talent was apparent last season. Wake is patient to a fault with coaches. We'll see how patient they are after this coming season. I think they need a more sleazy guy to navigate the transfer portal era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 Clawson is right. ACC football is widely disrespected. It deserves every bit of the disrespect. I'm not sure what it can do about it. It's in the backyard of the two best football conferences in the country. It's still pretty good football though. People worry too much about what others think about them. All the ACC can control is itself. If it wants more respect, earn it. Just don't complain about it. It only points out flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, GP1 said: Clawson is right. ACC football is widely disrespected. It deserves every bit of the disrespect. I'm not sure what it can do about it. It's in the backyard of the two best football conferences in the country. It's still pretty good football though. People worry too much about what others think about them. All the ACC can control is itself. If it wants more respect, earn it. Just don't complain about it. It only points out flaws. The ACC disrespected itself by signing the TV deal they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 This would be interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1996MAENG Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: This would be interesting. This system assumes that the Pac-"2" is somehow recreated? It would have to canabalize one of the P5 conferences to the tune of 8-10 teams. Mountain West-Pac-2 merger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 (edited) 13 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said: This system assumes that the Pac-"2" is somehow recreated? It would have to canabalize one of the P5 conferences to the tune of 8-10 teams. Mountain West-Pac-2 merger? The MAC account said it's simply a placeholder to keep things even for the scenario. I've also posed questions aimed at the promotion/relegation matchup seeding and promotion length. Edited May 15 by Let'sGoZips94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 6 hours ago, GP1 said: Clawson is right. ACC football is widely disrespected. It deserves every bit of the disrespect. I'm not sure what it can do about it. It's in the backyard of the two best football conferences in the country. It's still pretty good football though. People worry too much about what others think about them. All the ACC can control is itself. If it wants more respect, earn it. Just don't complain about it. It only points out flaws. The ACC only has 1 program that is in the top 25 for all-time wins, which is Clemson at #20. They just don't have any historically great 'blue blood' programs. Some of their schools have had some decent runs, Clemson most recently. Florida State had a run under Bowden. But none of the schools are in the same class historically as a UM, Alabama, OSU, Texas, USC, Oklahoma, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said: The ACC disrespected itself by signing the TV deal they did. Like Dr. Frankenstein, it's dying at the hands of the monster it created. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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