Game #5 Zips @ Toledo - 3:30 pm September 27th: Catdaddyp July Preview → Official Game Thread

[Blue & Gold]

Whoever runs this account has the easiest job in the world. Depressing... but easy.

 

[GP1]

11 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

Honestly any money we would save dropping to FCS is probably negated by lost revenue. Non-scholaship FCS or D2 would probably be where things would start making mathematical sense.

If we just wait a few more years, G5 may have it's own division below FBS. By doing so, we can save a good MBB program and very good soccer program. 

[GP1]

2 hours ago, Blue & Gold said:

We simply can't be this bad in Year 4 😞

How good should one of the most under resourced programs be?  Seriously, I think that's an interesting question. Losing is one thing. A program completely devoid of any entertainment value is something completely different.

[Lee Adams]

3 hours ago, GP1 said:

If we just wait a few more years, G5 may have it's own division below FBS. By doing so, we can save a good MBB program and very good soccer program. 

Not about 'saving money' after lierally decades of this. They have to play at a level where they can be consistently competitive. Now they are not.

[Lee Adams]

15 hours ago, exit322 said:

Honestly, I debated whether FCS or Division 2 was the better call.

Wherever they can be competitive. Think they could compete against the S.Dakota, N.Dakota and Montana teams among others, in FCS? Personally I would question that also.

[GP1]

47 minutes ago, Lee Adams said:

Not about 'saving money' after lierally decades of this. They have to play at a level where they can be consistently competitive. Now they are not.

You're right, it's not about the money. The central question is whether or not they want to be in the MAC. If that answer is no, it puts a lot of pressure on other programs that are performing well. The other question is, who would want Akron and why?

 

If the answer is yes, they need to figure out how to get more competitive in 2026 and beyond. 

[Blue & Gold]

7 hours ago, GP1 said:

How good should one of the most under resourced programs be?  Seriously, I think that's an interesting question. Losing is one thing. A program completely devoid of any entertainment value is something completely different.

And with our best players leaving via the TP every year what else should we expect?  With the current state of college football I think the best we can hope for is the possibility of catching lightning in a bottle once in a while.  

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Blue & Gold

[exit322]

5 hours ago, Lee Adams said:

Wherever they can be competitive. Think they could compete against the S.Dakota, N.Dakota and Montana teams among others, in FCS? Personally I would question that also.

So probably not.  But they're a lot closer to popping an FCS playoff berth every now and again than they are to an FBS bowl game.

[clarkwgriswold]

This conversation invariably brings the discussion about how UA can't be in the MAC without an FBS football team and the impact that could have on the basketball program.  I say it's about time we started considering other alternatives to a one bid conference where half of the schools make no effort to put out a reasonable basketball program.  I've seen enough Michigan directionals for the rest of my life.

[GP1]

25 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

This conversation invariably brings the discussion about how UA can't be in the MAC without an FBS football team and the impact that could have on the basketball program.  I say it's about time we started considering other alternatives to a one bid conference where half of the schools make no effort to put out a reasonable basketball program.  I've seen enough Michigan directionals for the rest of my life.

You must be tired of winning as well. I'll list the conferences that had multiple bids last year and you tell me which one we can finish with a winning record. This list is from Wikipedia. 

 

BidsConferenceSchools

14 SEC: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

 

8 Big Ten: Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Oregon, Purdue, UCLA, Wisconsin

 

7 Big 12: Arizona, Baylor, BYU, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Texas Tech

 

5 Big East: Creighton, Marquette, St. John's, UConn, Xavier

 

4 ACC: Clemson, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina

 

4 Mountain West: Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, Utah State

 

2 West Coast: Gonzaga, Saint Mary's

 

The MWC and West Coast are not serious options because of travel. That leaves us with even less serious options in the Big Ten, SEC, Big East, Big 12 and ACC. All but the Big East require football membership. That leaves the Big East. Let's see, St. Johns plays in the most famous arena in the world. Marquette plays in an NBA arena. Xavier has their own palace. UCONN is a national power.  I guess once every 10 years we could beat Creighton. 

 

Does leaving the MAC still sound like a good idea?

[clarkwgriswold]

15 minutes ago, GP1 said:

You must be tired of winning as well. I'll list the conferences that had multiple bids last year and you tell me which one we can finish with a winning record. This list is from Wikipedia. 

 

BidsConferenceSchools

14 SEC: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

 

8 Big Ten: Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Oregon, Purdue, UCLA, Wisconsin

 

7 Big 12: Arizona, Baylor, BYU, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Texas Tech

 

5 Big East: Creighton, Marquette, St. John's, UConn, Xavier

 

4 ACC: Clemson, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina

 

4 Mountain West: Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, Utah State

 

2 West Coast: Gonzaga, Saint Mary's

 

The MWC and West Coast are not serious options because of travel. That leaves us with even less serious options in the Big Ten, SEC, Big East, Big 12 and ACC. All but the Big East require football membership. That leaves the Big East. Let's see, St. Johns plays in the most famous arena in the world. Marquette plays in an NBA arena. Xavier has their own palace. UCONN is a national power.  I guess once every 10 years we could beat Creighton. 

 

Does leaving the MAC still sound like a good idea?

 

Yes.  Thanks for asking.  At least the MAC as currently constructed, especially if it demands what it currently does.

Edited 2 hours ago by clarkwgriswold

[GP1]

8 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

 

Yes.  Thanks for asking.  At least the MAC as currently constructed, especially if it demands what it currently does.

Pick one of the multiple bid leagues. If fans want a multiple bid league, I have presented them. Pick the one you think is the best fit to be one of the multiple bid teams. 

 

My opinion is this. I go to 1-3 Wake Forest basketball games a year during the ACC schedule. Wake is a bottom third ACC school and I'm going to put this as kindly as possible. They would run Akron out of the gym. Akron is exactly where it belongs. 

[clarkwgriswold]

20 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Pick one of the multiple bid leagues. If fans want a multiple bid league, I have presented them. Pick the one you think is the best fit to be one of the multiple bid teams. 

 

My opinion is this. I go to 1-3 Wake Forest basketball games a year during the ACC schedule. Wake is a bottom third ACC school and I'm going to put this as kindly as possible. They would run Akron out of the gym. Akron is exactly where it belongs. 

I'm not suggesting that there's a perfect conference for UA sports.  I'm proposing that a conference that makes demands that are inconsistent with UA's needs may not be a good home, or needs to change to become a better home for its schools.  That's even more true with the current direction of college athletics.

[kreed5120]

Why would it have to be a consistent multi-bid conference that Akron would have to go to? I would think everyone would agree that the MVC is better than the MAC for hoops. The MVC teams are typically seeded better in the tournament, win more games in the tournament, and on occasion get a 2nd bid. That would probably be more Akron's level for hoops.

 

MAC hoops have drastically declined since covid and there are no signs of it improving anytime soon. The other schools are too busy checking the couch cushions searching for every last nickel and dime to throw at FBS football.