skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 MD Zip. Thanks for laying that out for us. Great work. Wow. I had no idea that we ever got to 53 votes. I thought it was about half of that amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 hours ago, MDZip said: So the Zips were 17-4 and the streak was at 13 when they got any votes in the Coaches Poll Hmm. So, we're making an appearance much sooner than we did in 2013, but obviously have a long way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 All I can say is go back to 2007. Akron is 26-6, clearly the best team in the MAC and we lose the MACC on a prayer 3-pointer to Miami. No NCAA Tourney, No NIT. Our guys sit at home. After that heartbreak, I am convinced the only way a MAC Team makes the tourney is to win the MACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: Hmm. So, we're making an appearance much sooner than we did in 2013, but obviously have a long way to go. Actually, we're not making an appearance at all. We have a vote in the AP poll this year, not the Coaches Poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zipsrifle said: All I can say is go back to 2007. Akron is 26-6, clearly the best team in the MAC and we lose the MACC on a prayer 3-pointer to Miami. No NCAA Tourney, No NIT. Our guys sit at home. After that heartbreak, I am convinced the only way a MAC Team makes the tourney is to win the MACC. Believing that 2007 tells us what we need to know would mean that you'd be ignoring 2008. The very next year, Kent got a #9 seed in the Big Dance with 28 wins. So, that would have put them in front of somewhere between 8 and 12 other At Large teams that got in, which indicates that they made the tournament rather easily. That seed also indicated that the committee believed that they were one of the best 36 teams in the entire field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said: Actually, we're not making an appearance at all. We have a vote in the AP poll this year, not the Coaches Poll. I don't recall if we appeared first in the Coaches Poll or the AP Poll in 2013. We only know that we ultimately climbed higher in the Coaches Poll. But we did have plenty of votes in both polls. I wonder if MDZip would be kind enough to also compile the same history of our climb in the 2013 AP Poll as he just did for the 2013 Coaches Poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I don't recall if we appeared first in the Coaches Poll or the AP Poll in 2013. We only know that we ultimately climbed higher in the Coaches Poll. But we did have plenty of votes in both polls. I wonder if MDZip would be kind enough to also compile the same history of our climb in the 2013 AP Poll as he just did for the 2013 Coaches Poll? Mostly the same thing but never got officially ranked in the AP poll Feb 4th 4 points (same week as getting the first votes in the coaches poll) Feb 11th 12 points Feb 18th 16 points Feb 25th 43 points (highest we got, ranked 28th) Mar 4th back down to 4 And gone :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zippy_ua_00 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 20 hours ago, skip-zip said: Yep, that's a little disappointing that we didn't pick up any additional support after a good week. We play in the MAC. Not a surprise. Our RPI dropped from 39 to 40 with a win over EMU. Can't really expect to pick up more votes after that. Oh well just keep winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, zippy_ua_00 said: We play in the MAC. Not a surprise. Our RPI dropped from 39 to 40 with a win over EMU. Can't really expect to pick up more votes after that. Oh well just keep winning Right. We all know the drawbacks to playing in the MAC. But as MDZip showed earlier, our number of votes in both polls grew pretty substantially during the 2013 winning streak, from week to week. So, the fact that we didn't get any more votes after two more wins should be surprising in comparison. The RPI number is good for us for mid-January. That's not a concern to me at all. We only got to #34 by the end of last season, so we still have a lot of time left to climb higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, zippy_ua_00 said: We play in the MAC. Not a surprise. Our RPI dropped from 39 to 40 with a win over EMU. Can't really expect to pick up more votes after that. Oh well just keep winning The RPI places a massive weight on road victories. Beating EMU at home isn't as good as beating EMU on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Perhaps our lone vote was a little premature. I would have to think 2 wins this week would get us a few more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, zippy5 said: Perhaps our lone vote was a little premature. The point that I was trying to convey last week, but I was indirectly told my viewpoint made no sense. Last weeks vote was just 1 mans opinion. There are 64 other voters. Just because 1 guy from Cleveland had Akron ahead of Middle Tennessee, Utah, and Illinois State among others doesn't mean the other 64 guys felt the same. Edit: We really don't have any chances this week to pick up signature wins so any votes we gain would likely be a result of teams ahead of us losing. It's kind of hard to say if we'll pick up votes without knowing if the teams directly ahead of us will lose. The top 22 probably could all lose and stay on most peoples ballots. Edited January 24, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 45 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: We really don't have any chances this week to pick up signature wins so any votes we gain would likely be a result of teams ahead of us losing. That's assuming that these people are all studying exactly what Akron is doing, and who they are playing. Do you really think the majority of these pollsters are doing that?. It's a bunch of people following a brief trend in popularity. Akron keeps winning, and a few more people think it's cool to vote for Akron, then a few more, then a few more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, skip-zip said: That's assuming that these people are all studying exactly what Akron is doing, and who they are playing. Do you really think the majority of these pollsters are doing that?. It's a bunch of people following a brief trend in popularity. Akron keeps winning, and a few more people think it's cool to vote for Akron, then a few more, then a few more. We aren't even the trendy mid-major team right now. That distinction goes to 17-2 UNC-Wilmington followed by 16-4 Illinois State who recently knocked off Wichita State. We probably would gain more votes by these 2 teams losing than we would by any of the other relative P6 teams losing. http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/24/14370256/mid-major-madness-power-rankings-week-10-gonzaga-saint-marys-illinois-state-winthrop (Note College Insiders doesn't include C-USA teams as the conference said they don't want to be a part of it) Edited January 24, 2017 by kreed5120 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'm still trying to figure out whether this is a down year in general for the MAC or what we're seeing is a result of parity. With my considerable basketball knowledge, I'm confident that I'll have it figured out by the end of March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: (Note College Insiders doesn't include C-USA teams as the conference said they don't want to be apart of it) If you felt you were a basketball power and were currently ranked #19 out of 32 conferences you might not want to be a part of it either. Edited January 24, 2017 by MDZip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 It's also important to remember that when we were ranked, it also took some pandering. We sent brand new black jerseys to the voters with their Twitter handles on them, as well as sending them to popular ESPN hosts to get them to talk about the Zips. We also got people talking nationally about us by bluffing that we were going to include our player's Twitter handles on their jerseys instead of their last name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, MDZip said: If you felt you were a basketball power and were currently ranked #19 out of 32 conferences you might not want to be a part of it either. delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Meanwhile in Oxford and Athens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 We're still sitting right at #40 in the RPI after the game tonight. Should hover around there until the OU and EMU rematches. Those could provide a big boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadszip Posted January 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 On January 22, 2017 at 6:10 PM, NWAkron said: 1 hour ago, ZachTheZip said: We're still sitting right at #40 in the RPI after the game tonight. Should hover around there until the OU and EMU rematches. Those could provide a big boost. And on the brightest side, the Zips are 12 minutes away from having a 3-game lead over everybody in the league just seven games into league play. That, I imagine, has never happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) That 2012-13 season also included a much better schedule. Although the end-of-season SOS, according to RealTimeRPI, was 131 (this year we are at 146 currently for comparison, so not a HUGE difference), we played much tougher opponents throughout that season. Here's the Breakdown for 2012-13 Top 50 Opponents: 3. Record was 1-2, with a win against MTSU who finished at 28 (that was a fun home game). Top 100 Opponents: 8. Record was 5-3. This includes the MACCG against OU. Also, that Detroit loss is bad name wise, but they finished #64 in RPI and it was a road game. Our current schedule is crap in comparison (actually, it's crap period, compared to every schedule). Unless EMU and OU win out (minus their contests against Akron), we won't play another Top 100 team all year, and will have only played 4 all season - IF Georgia Southern and Marshall stay in the Top 100. Based on the research provided by MDZip and my findings, this would be good ammunition for anyone arguing against our cupcake, "prestigious" 21-win-guaranteed schedule. The committees seem to reward some success against tougher schedules over more success against weaker competition (duh). Edited January 25, 2017 by lilroodude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 11 hours ago, wadszip said: And on the brightest side, the Zips are 12 minutes away from having a 3-game lead over everybody in the league just seven games into league play. That, I imagine, has never happened before. As a matter of fact that is the maximum possible separation in a 12 team conference after 7 games. 7 games x 12 teams means 84 outcomes so 42 wins and 42 losses. Subtract out the Zips wins and that leaves 35 total wins for the other 11 teams. That's an average of 3.2 wins per teams so somebody had to win four (actually at least two teams had to win four or somebody would have had to have been at five) so that is amazing the Zips have a maximum possible gap seven games in. If that keeps pace the Zips win the MAC by nine games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, MDZip said: As a matter of fact that is the maximum possible separation in a 12 team conference after 7 games. 7 games x 12 teams means 84 outcomes so 42 wins and 42 losses. Subtract out the Zips wins and that leaves 35 total wins for the other 11 teams. That's an average of 3.2 wins per teams so somebody had to win four (actually at least two teams had to win four or somebody would have had to have been at five) so that is amazing the Zips have a maximum possible gap seven games in. If that keeps pace the Zips win the MAC by nine games. Great stat! That really highlights the parity in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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