zippy5 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Big pay out back to us if he leaves early. Did Dambrot get bonus for 20 win season??? If he did, that really changes my view on his scheduling. I don't think he should get bonus for MAC regular season title. I think he should. I think it's funny that there's a bonus for a MAC tourney title and a separate bonus for an NCAA bid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: Hmmmmm, no incentives for a 20 win season. Just like anything else in life, I think people will suddenly see the value in winning a lot of basketball games every year, when we are no longer winning a lot of basketball games every year. Right now, some people seem content with the idea that the winning isn't necessary to get MAC titles and NCAA bids. But unless we're going to pull rabbits out of hats here, winning games is a necessary part of the process of getting to the other two. Edited April 10, 2017 by skip-zip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted April 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: Hmmmmm, no incentives for a 20 win season. 7 million dollars, but you have to move to Pittsburgh. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, zippy5 said: I think he should. I think it's funny that there's a bonus for a MAC tourney title and a separate bonus for an NCAA bid Same with winning MAC regular season title and making NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPS96 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 In theory you can make the NCAA or NIT without winning either MAC championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Call me selfish, but I want to win the MAC regular season title, the MAC tournament, and win 20+ games per year. If you do the 1st two, it's a 99.9% chance you'll accomplish the 3rd. Why do people feel we only have to pick one of the three? Edited April 10, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, ZIPS96 said: In theory you can make the NCAA or NIT without winning either MAC championship. Sure, if you play in another conference besides the MAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Call me selfish, but I want to win the MAC regular season title, the MAC tournament, and win 20+ games per year. If you do the 1st two, it's a 99.9% chance you'll accomplish the 3rd. Why do people feel we only have to pick one of the three? Looking at it through the Dambrot prism, they are each separate and not connected. As for "winning" a lot of games, in the Dambrot world the wins didnt translate into anything else. I have no idea how I will react to a 15 win season. Guess it depends on how we win and lose. And I mean by how we win and lose...Are we still losing all the big games or are we winning some upsets. Are we losing and playing uninspired, feet in the mud basketball or is there some fight each night on the court . Are we playing to level of competition ...Etc. Edited April 10, 2017 by NWAkron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Looking at it through the Dambrot prism, they are each separate and not connected. As for "winning" a lot of games, in the Dambrot world the wins didnt translate into anything else. I have no idea how I will react to a 15 win season. Guess it depends on how we win and lose. And I mean by how we win and lose...Are we still losing all the big games or are we winning some upsets. Are we losing and playing uninspired, feet in the mud basketball or is there some fight each night on the court . Are we playing to level of competition ...Etc. Winning the MAC regular season and MACT means you are winning 16-17 games alone. It blows my mind that anyone wouldn't want to accomplish both. After all that is what Gonzaga has been doing for the past 20 years. Isn't that what we all want to see Akron become? Edited April 10, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Winning the MAC regular season and MACT means you are winning 16-17 games alone. It blows my mind that anyone wouldn't want to accomplish both. No one is saying they wouldn't want to win both. But if I had to choose, I much rather win 15-20 games and win MAC tournament than to win 20-25 games and win MAC regular season title but lose in the MAC title game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I just brought up the incentive for a 20 win season to stir the pot! At the end of the day, I want a team I enjoy watching. I did not enjoy this last season's team as much as I had enjoyed the past seasons and often found myself frustrated with them rather than enjoying them, even in their wins. By no means and am I one of those who discounts KD's contributions to the program, but I'd give up some wins to see some new things from the Zips in the transistion to a new system. With any luck, the Groce years will bring the wins along with some of the things I'd like to see (pressure; up tempo offense; some real out of bounds plays; better on ball defense...). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, mes102 said: No one is saying they wouldn't want to win both. But if I had to choose, I much rather win 15-20 games and win MAC tournament than to win 20-25 games and win MAC regular season title but lose in the MAC title game. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Our goal every year should however be to win both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Our goal every year should however be to win both. Agreed, but if that can't happen, I much rather have the MAC tourney title. I think everyone wants to win both, but we're just being realistic at this moment. As a coach, you're looking to win every game. As fans, we can be a little more realistic. I think this upcoming season will be one where we're hitting our stride in February and March. I believe Ohio should be the favorite to win the MAC regular season title next season, especially if Campbell gets a medical redshirt for last season. It will be how we develop over the season and make a run at it in Cleveland. Edited April 10, 2017 by mes102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I'm not going to judge Groce off of this years performance. If he puts us in a position to contend come March, he's a miracle worker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mes102 said: No one is saying they wouldn't want to win both. But if I had to choose, I much rather win 15-20 games and win MAC tournament than to win 20-25 games and win MAC regular season title but lose in the MAC title game. But if you are a 20 win team, as opposed to a 15 win team, you probably have demonstrated some level of superiority over the rest of the league, which increases the likelihood of winning the tournament title. And you'll be seeded higher, which also increases your chance of winning the tournament title as well. I feel like some people here have regressed back into this thought that if we win just one game each year, the rest of the games don't matter. Yet, winning games throughout the course of the season is what helps you get those opportunities to win tournament titles. Edited April 10, 2017 by skip-zip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Ugh. Someone told me that the team who scores the most points wins and that goes double in the MAC tournament. Edited April 10, 2017 by NWAkron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, skip-zip said: But if you are a 20 win team, as opposed to a 15 win team, you probably have demonstrated some level of superiority over the rest of the league, which increases the likelihood of winning the tournament title. And you'll be seeded higher, which also increases your chance of winning the tournament title as well. I feel like some people here have regressed back into this thought that if we win just one game each year, the rest of the games don't matter. Yet, winning games throughout the course of the season is what helps you get there. Well it's actually that if we win 3 games a year, not one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, zippy5 said: Well it's actually that if we win 3 games a year, not one Or in the case next year, most likely 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, kreed5120 said: Sure, if you play in another conference besides the MAC I believe one of our NIT appearances came when we did not win the MAC regular season. I could be wrong but I seem to remember finishing as runner-up in both the regular season and in Cleveland but getting an NIT at large bid one year. Maybe it was before the NIT had auto bids though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Or in the case next year, most likely 4 Rub it in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 hours ago, NWAkron said: Did Dambrot get bonus for 20 win season??? He did... but not in the last one or two extensions--- I cant remember when it was removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I just had to come here and say that I am a little concerned that nobody has talked about our new coach for 2 days. Although I'm not sold on the hire, and I voted in this thread along with many others that I am "not sure" how this will turn out, I'd still expect a ton of enthusiasm to linger for a long time among some fans who have their minds set on the idea that we're headed towards a better future. If there was anything that's come up in the last week that I am puzzled about, it's the fact that several of you have indicated that "nobody showed up" at the new coach's welcoming event at EJ Thomas. Can someone please elaborate on that? Other than the jokes that there were plenty of leftover Zippy Cookies, I haven't heard anyone state any numbers. I'm hoping that "nobody" means that there was still at least several hundred people who showed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I just had to come here and say that I am a little concerned that nobody has talked about our new coach for 2 days. I think everyone has had their say, and we're waiting for the staff and roster to be filled-out. Meet and greet is over. Time for "real" Zips basketball news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I just had to come here and say that I am a little concerned that nobody has talked about our new coach for 2 days. Although I'm not sold on the hire, and I voted in this thread along with many others that I am "not sure" how this will turn out, I'd still expect a ton of enthusiasm to linger for a long time among some fans who have their minds set on the idea that we're headed towards a better future. If there was anything that's come up in the last week that I am puzzled about, it's the fact that several of you have indicated that "nobody showed up" at the new coach's welcoming event at EJ Thomas. Can someone please elaborate on that? Other than the jokes that there were plenty of leftover Zippy Cookies, I haven't heard anyone state any numbers. I'm hoping that "nobody" means that there was still at least several hundred people who showed up. Sorry, we got caught up in the LSU/Akron and Boals recruiting debates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 For the "meet and greet," no one contacted the season ticket holders by phone or email to invite them. If you didn't read it on here or gozips you wouldn't have known to attend on a rainy weeknight right after work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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