K92 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I wouldn't have a problem with that. But if every other program in the lower part of D-1A is doing it to notch an easy win on their schedule, aren't we hurting ourselves if we don't do the same? The prospect of starting most seasons with an 0-3 record would be a tough hole to climb out of. If it weren't for that, I'd surely want to see a higher level competitor fill that spot. I think it would be a really, really good idea for G5 schools to change their way of thinking across the board. As a fan of a G5 school, I tend to think that our fan base looks down on lower tier P5 schools that pad their record with cupcakes to get to .500 to grab that magical bowl invite, while at the same time, justifying our doing the same. The difference is that those lower P5 schools have the money to buy a win. We don't. Make a list of the reasons for buying a game. Make a list of reasons for scheduling a payday. I think some of the reasons cancel each other out. There are schools that only schedule payday games. There are schools that only schedule cupcakes. We do both and they seem to be at odds with each other. If it is an accurate portrayal that our level of destitution is such that we can simply not survive without a payday game, we certainly can't afford to pay anyone anything to come here. The price is much too large to buy a win. If we are really that poor, we should schedule 2 payday games a year. It could be a good thing. It gives you 2 chances to pull off a miracle, which you and others put a lot of stock in. What's the upside of getting a win vs. a low 1AA? The general consensus of this board was that the beating we took from PSU was expected and there was little to learn about our team from the experience. It also appears that the general consensus of this board is that the destruction of UAPB is expected and there will be little to learn about our team from the experience. We are paying a helluva price to put a slash mark in the win column and wait until game 3 to know anything about our own team. I think that it is past time for the leadership of the G5 conferences to start to think differently about some solutions to the predicament we are in playing in FBS. I think there are some things that they should definitely try, but it would take courage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I would say as a G5 program you play for two things - your conference championship, and a bowl berth. If it is legal to play a cupcake, and the cupcake game counts towards bowl eligibility, you need to do it. That game automatically puts you 17% of the way to a bowl. Bowl berths are important. The $600,000 price UNLV paid for their poison cupcake last weekend is way above the prevailing scale. Historically black colleges can be scheduled for under $400k. The $1,000,000 the Zips got for Penn state pays the appearance fees for Iowa State and Pine Bluff. With some change to spare. That's a fair use of the money. The beating incurred by playing two Top 10 P5 teams in September will kill most G5 teams. Playing a smaller program like Pine Bluff after a physical Big10 team is perfect. For comparison, here are the "major" (non D1-AA) 2017 MAC opponents: Akron Penn State, Iowa State (Home), Troy BG Michigan State, Northwestern, Middle Tennessee Buffalo Army, FAU, Minnesota Kent Clemson, Marshall, Louisville Miami Marshall, Cinci and Notre Dame OU Purdue, Kansas (Home), UMass Ball State Illinois, UAB, WKU CMU Syracuse, Kansas and Boston College EMU Army, Kentucky, Rutgers, Charlotte Northern Illinois Boston College, Nebraska, SDSU Toledo Nevada, Miami FL, Tulsa WMU @ USC, @ Mich State, Idaho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I understand "conventional wisdom". Where has "conventional wisdom" gotten the Zips and the MAC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, K92 said: I understand "conventional wisdom". Where has "conventional wisdom" gotten the Zips and the MAC? I don't think the conventional wisdom regarding scheduling has been the Zips primary problem since they've been in the MAC. I could write a book on all the problems...I probably already have...I just need to compile my posts beginning in 1997. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Lot 9 this weekend. Weather looks to be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) No. Scheduling has not been the primary problem, but there is a primary problem that needs addressed. It is the elephant in the room no one wants to touch with a 39 and a half foot pole. Edited September 6, 2017 by K92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said: Buffalo Army, FAU, Minnesota OU Purdue, Kansas (Home), UMass Ball State Illinois, UAB, WKU CMU Syracuse, Kansas and Boston College EMU Army, Kentucky, Rutgers, Charlotte These are all perfect and what we should shoot for. Take your payday but give yourself a puncher's chance at the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 56 minutes ago, zippy5 said: These are all perfect and what we should shoot for. Take your payday but give yourself a puncher's chance at the least. My thoughts, spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 George is on vacation, guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I'm in agreement, I'd rather us get bought to play than see us play an FCS team. There is nothing stating we'd need to schedule to schedule 2 top 15 power houses. We could schedule 2 games against 2 mediocre/bad P5 games (Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 32 minutes ago, LZIp said: George is on vacation, guys. ?????????⚡️????⚡️?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Hasn't he been on vacation for a couple of years? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, lilroodude said: And no, I don't think we would be hurting ourselves to schedule an extra P5 pay game. In fact, I think we'd be helping ourselves in recruiting. Who would kids rather play: UAPB or a P5 school? I would hope the kids you are recruiting would like the chance to knock off Goliath as a David. Law of averages says if you play P5 teams enough, eventually you'll win one. I get it. I argue the same point all the time when it pertains to basketball. But G5 football schools don't have 95% of their other games still remaining to absorb the losses. One might also be able to argue that basketball parity from #1 to #100 is a different story than football is when comparing #1 to #100. Edited September 6, 2017 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Wasn't this Penn State game announced back when they were destroyed from the scandal? They certainly weren't a top 10 program when the game was scheduled. I doubt anyone thought they'd recover to this point, this quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 18 hours ago, zippy5 said: These are all perfect and what we should shoot for. Take your payday but give yourself a puncher's chance at the least. The 2019 schedule, if it holds, will fit your mold exactly: @Illinois vs UAB vs Troy 4th game will probably be a home vs FCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Love it. I'd even take a roadie at a Cuse/Indiana/Rutgers type for the 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I'll take any two games each year of the lower tier P5 teams that have been mentioned, plus I'd throw in Kansas, Utah, Arizona State, Arizona and maybe even Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Utah does not belong with any of those schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbrooman1 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 If they're going to schedule a FCS team, at least schedule a program that is decent. Pine Bluff has had one good year in the last 10 since Coleman began coaching them and is 10-35 in the last 5+. I have no interest in attending this game. It does nothing for the Zips. Also, why is this game at 6:30 and competing with the Ohio State-Oklahoma game? ESPN3 can't be that demanding about this game. Good luck drawing a crowd for this one. Probably see ya next week against Iowa State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I would argue there's nothing to gain from playing a good 1-AA team. Either don't schedule them at all or schedule the APBs of the world that is (should be) a sure win. The JMUs of the world can beat us, and that is not worth the risk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted September 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, zippy5 said: I would argue there's nothing to gain from playing a good 1-AA team. Either don't schedule them at all or schedule the APBs of the world that is (should be) a sure win. The JMUs of the world can beat us, and that is not worth the risk Wasn't it JMU that almost beat us in what was it...Bowden's first or 2nd year here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 So...back to the game. Game Day Timeline 7 AM Parking lots 6, 8, 9, 10, and 72 open for tailgating. All other lots will open four hours prior to kickoff. 9 AM Main Ticket Office (near Gate 1, Southwest corner) opens. Noon Team Shop opens at the stadium. 2 PM Gates to Touchdown Music Fest open. Enter on Union Street side. Team Shop trailer opens at Touchdown Music Fest. Clevelander Ray Flanagan takes the 330 Roadshow stage. 2:30 PM Pay parking lots open. 3 PM Touchdown Music Fest begins with Nikki Lane. 4:15 PM Ohio’s Pride– The UA Marching Band performs at the Touchdown Music Fest. 4:30 PM Zips’ Football team arrival at the corner of Exchange and Union (Lot 6) ZipsFest opens inside Stile Athletics Field House. 4:45 PM J.D. McPherson takes the stage at the Touchdown Music Fest. 5 PM House of LaRose Lobby opens. 5:30 PM Stadium gates open. Ticket windows at each gate open. 6:30 PM Kickoff vs. Arkansas Pine Bluff Halftime Meet-and-Greet with J.D. McPherson & Nikki Lane [Gate 4] Postgame Autograph session with four Zips [north endzone concourse] Children welcomed to play on the field [after cooling off period]. Concessions: A new food option at games this year is the Old Carolina True Q Zone, located on the North Endzone Concourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, zippy5 said: Utah does not belong with any of those schools Utah is part of the PAC 12 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, blueandgold said: Utah is part of the PAC 12 now. Um yeah. They're also way better than any of them and would obliterate us at their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, zippy5 said: Um yeah. They're also way better than any of them and would obliterate us at their place. They are still considered a low tier PAC 12 team. That's what I was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I don't see the Roo Walk on that timeline. Has that been scrapped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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