Game #3 Zips @ UAB - 8:30 pm September 13th: Catdaddyp July Preview → Official Game Thread

[Hilltopper]

2 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

We have Joe for $650,000? And he's HC, OC and QB coach. 

 

We have $0 in NIL.

 

Our staff pool is the lowest in D1.

 

I can imagine, if Joe leaves or is fired at year's end, how bad a coach we will get for the sack of beans, buttons and bus tokens we offer.

 

I work in Industrial Automation. It's impossible to beat your competition when you have half their distribution network, half their direct sales force, 1/4 their overall budget, 1/10 the Marketing budget, limit your outside sales force to generating business by phone and Linkedin messaging vs. getting on the road and meeting customers face-to-face, etc. etc.

 

On one hand you don't want the University to go public with the shackles and anchors they've strapped on Joe. It would kill whatever miniscule recruiting sell-points we have left. On the other hand, staying quiet hangs Joe out to dry. 99% of the general public thinks we're funded just like anyone else. They only see wins and losses.

 

On TV MacGyver can beat the bad guys with paper clips, duct tape and a AAA battery. In real life, that doesn't play out so well.

 

I hope Joe has a good MAC season and sticks around another year or two. He's been dealt the mother of all losing hands and been asked to beat Phil Ivey. 

Everything you say is true. JoMo's fatal flaw is his inability to attract and nurture the type of donors needed to fund those NIL dollars and program enhancements. John Groce has done an exceptional job at doing this and the results are evident. Jared Embick the same. At a MAC level school you need someone who is willing to help sell the program to the potential donors. At the P-5 schools where Joe had his success this was not necessary. The programs history sold itself. There were legions of development personnel eager to wine and dine to secure those donations. That infrastructure doesn't exist at Akron. We don't have that winning football tradition. It's going to take a different kind of coach than what have now if we expect different results.

[clarkwgriswold]

2 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

We have Joe for $650,000? And he's HC, OC and QB coach. 

 

We have $0 in NIL.

 

Our staff pool is the lowest in D1.

 

I can imagine, if Joe leaves or is fired at year's end, how bad a coach we will get for the sack of beans, buttons and bus tokens we offer.

 

I work in Industrial Automation. It's impossible to beat your competition when you have half their distribution network, half their direct sales force, 1/4 their overall budget, 1/10 the Marketing budget, limit your outside sales force to generating business by phone and Linkedin messaging vs. getting on the road and meeting customers face-to-face, etc. etc.

 

On one hand you don't want the University to go public with the shackles and anchors they've strapped on Joe. It would kill whatever miniscule recruiting sell-points we have left. On the other hand, staying quiet hangs Joe out to dry. 99% of the general public thinks we're funded just like anyone else. They only see wins and losses.

 

On TV MacGyver can beat the bad guys with paper clips, duct tape and a AAA battery. In real life, that doesn't play out so well.

 

I hope Joe has a good MAC season and sticks around another year or two. He's been dealt the mother of all losing hands and been asked to beat Phil Ivey. 

 

I think we all wish that for JoMo.  We're just frustrated with the lack of progress.

[GP1]

1 hour ago, Hilltopper said:

 John Groce has done an exceptional job at doing this and the results are evident. At a MAC level school you need someone who is willing to help sell the program to the potential donors.

This interests me because he doesn't strike me as a sales type guy, but a gym rat kind of guy. It must have been hard at first because he wasn't really a "name" when he came to town. Imagine how easy it was for Sanders or George to do. Akron football needs to do at least one thing that would make life easier for them. 

[clarkwgriswold]

30 minutes ago, GP1 said:

This interests me because he doesn't strike me as a sales type guy, but a gym rat kind of guy. It must have been hard at first because he wasn't really a "name" when he came to town. Imagine how easy it was for Sanders or George to do. Akron football needs to do at least one thing that would make life easier for them. 

He's a guy who can work a room.  He was a name to some extent, having had MAC success and coming from the Big 10.  He's intense, personable and outgoing, and those attributes get people to follow him, whether it's playing basketball or writing checks.

[egregiousbob]

20 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

Amherst is 2 hours west of Boston

It's still a damned expensive place to live vs. Akron, Ohio.

[egregiousbob]

I believe Eddie George will either plateau next year or continue to revive the program and leave.  This is not a long-term success story.  He's too young to ignore bigger-dollar jobs, and BGSU's athletic budget is in the lower-third of the league, if I'm not mistaken.

[kreed5120]

30 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

This is not a long-term success story.  He's too young to ignore bigger-dollar jobs, and BGSU's athletic budget is in the lower-third of the league, if I'm not mistaken.

 

This is true for all MAC coaches. Leopold at Kansas, Campbell at Iowa State, Fleck at Minnesota, etc. If you have success at the MAC expect a P4 school to come calling who would be willing to 3x-5x your current salary.

[UAZippers]

35 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

I believe Eddie George will either plateau next year or continue to revive the program and leave.  This is not a long-term success story.  He's too young to ignore bigger-dollar jobs, and BGSU's athletic budget is in the lower-third of the league, if I'm not mistaken.

People keep talking about coaches having success and leaving as a bad thing. I dream of a young coach coming in, establishing a winning culture for a few years and moving on to success. 

[egregiousbob]

Can't build a culture in 2 years or even 3.  That's why the Frank Solich model - a proven winner who wants one last gig - makes sense for MAC programs.

[kreed5120]

10 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

Can't build a culture in 2 years or even 3.  That's why the Frank Solich model - a proven winner who wants one last gig - makes sense for MAC programs.

Wasn't that the route we attempted with JoeMo?

[ZippyDoo]

Frank Solich might be very interesting pick, but he is 81 years old and retired in 2021 because of health issues.

 

Might not be the best candidate.  I am all for what ever it takes to build the program.  I am not a JoeMoe sympathizer, but I am also not a JoeMoe hater.  I just would like to see the program build and the culture changed.  I am excited about the freshman class and think they would be awesome to build around.  I can't picture McManus being here next year, but if he stays that's even better !  We have three very large athletic defensive linemen that are very impressive that I think can make a difference once they develop and are given a chance, a very athletic and talented safety that I thought was going to play regularly, and two linebackers that I believe can make a difference.  On the offensive side, McManus, Broughton who is crazy athletic and can probably be effective at any skilled postiion and a wr that runs 4.4 at least.

 

I am excited