Game Number One: Wyoming

[ZipCat]

5 hours ago, GP1 said:

Actually, it's every day and they never really tried. UofA is a taxpayer supported institution. If it isn't doing those things every day and in every way possible, it needs to start. No better time than the present. 

 

And the taxpayer support should be going to supporting students and the next generation of our economy, not to football programs. As a taxpaying citizen, I want better paid educators ... better resources ... less debt for college students than a BS football program that just drains money.

[a-zip]

Offensive guru puts up a donut against….Wyoming?

[GP1]

2 hours ago, ZipCat said:

 

And the taxpayer support should be going to supporting students and the next generation of our economy, 

What if they found a way to do just that with the athletic department?

[ZipCat]

2 hours ago, GP1 said:

What if they found a way to do just that with the athletic department?

 

What if we didn't do that through the athletic department, and did it through the actual departments that do the actual work of education?

[GP1]

2 minutes ago, ZipCat said:

 

What if we didn't do that through the athletic department, and did it through the actual departments that do the actual work of education?

Now, that's an interesting idea. 

[dre22era]

13 hours ago, ZipCat said:

 

I'd add, what Mid-Major team has elevated itself significantly to "compete" with the big boys, and sustained that, over the past 25-years? None. Zero. Nobody. A few teams have had scattered success to be interesting...to get a Top-25 ranking, and then inevitably melt into irrelevance. WMU? TCU? Marshall once? 

 

It all exists as a 6-figure stepping stone for an entire industry that frankly wouldn't exist if it weren't heavily subsidized by the debt of students and institutions. And it's time to call BULLSHIT on all the "brand exposure" folks, because how has that been working out for 99% of Colleges and Universities with declining enrollment? 

 

Yeah, OF COURSE coach Moorehead can't compete here. NOBODY can. There was a narrow Window maybe the program could have become something, in the 2000s after they built the stadium. That time is no basically 20 years ago, and it was ruined by iCoach and further ruined by firing Terry Bowden for a no-name loser from John Carroll. 

Ever heard of Boise State?

 

[dre22era]

Folks are really complaining about us playing on Thursday acting like we would get more viewers on Saturday competing against the Ohio States and Alabamas when it comes to viewership? Hilarious. 

 

[dre22era]

Folks are really moving the goal post down the field now saying no mid major schools have consistent relevancy in 25 years. WTF does that have to do with us not being able to score a single damn point at home against Wyoming. 

 

 

[ZippyRulz]

7 hours ago, a-zip said:

Offensive guru puts up a donut against….Wyoming?

 

Not his fault. He told the QB to take care of the ball and the kicker to make the FG.

[GP1]

12 hours ago, dre22era said:

Folks are really complaining about us playing on Thursday acting like we would get more viewers on Saturday competing against the Ohio States and Alabamas when it comes to viewership? Hilarious. 

 

Nobody here cares about the viewership. 

 

Espn+ provides a lot of flexibility for start times because when you stream you cann start whenever you want. Why couldn't they have started the game on Saturday at 5PM?  Why is it so hard to watch a Zips game on a Saturday when the sun is up for at least half the game? It shouldn't be this difficult to be a Zips fan. 

[egregiousbob]

 

On 8/30/2025 at 7:59 AM, ZipCat said:

 

Call the MAC's bluff. Soccer is already not in the MAC, and you think the MAC is going to turn away their premium Basketball program?

 

 

I question this claim. Yes, the Zips have been successful under Groce, but how do you define premium?  Zero NCAA wins, very average fan engagement (5th-6th in basketball attendance), and an NIL strategy that is wholly dependent on one guy's checkbook.  Do these facts add up to the top "program" in the league?  I think not.  

 

[GP1]

58 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

 

 

I question this claim. Yes, the Zips have been successful under Groce, but how do you define premium?  Zero NCAA wins, very average fan engagement (5th-6th in basketball attendance), and an NIL strategy that is wholly dependent on one guy's checkbook.  Do these facts add up to the top "program" in the league?  I think not.  

 

MBB is MAC elite in 2025. Those who want Akron to leave for another conference need to realize it isn't elite in many mid major conferences. 

[ZipCat]

14 hours ago, dre22era said:

Ever heard of Boise State?

 

Yup, and without looking at ESPN stats would have zero clue they've had any success over the past decade. Why? Because every major game they get blown out. Why? Because they can't compete with the big boys.

[ZipCat]

1 hour ago, egregiousbob said:

 

but how do you define premium?  

 

Most consistent program over the past 20 years. For MAC teams it ain't about NCAA wins, it's about NCAA appearances, and the most consistent team is Akron. 

 

It's just like how MAC Football isn't about being ranked or getting into the National Championship bracket, it's about post-season bowls and consistent over 500 seasons. The premium MAC football program is Ohio University, and Akron Basketball is the equivalent for Basketball.

[ZipCat]

14 hours ago, dre22era said:

Folks are really moving the goal post down the field now saying no mid major schools have consistent relevancy in 25 years. WTF does that have to do with us not being able to score a single damn point at home against Wyoming. 

 

It has to do with the broader topic that Akron Football is so embarrassing, why are we even bothering anymore? 

 

It's not moving the goalposts, it's pointing out how much of a scam the entire proposition. The moving the goalpost commentary is the people trying to defend why Akron is blowing millions on a D-1 Football program, when it can't even score a point against the Mountain West juggernaut of Wyoming (obvious sarcasm). Like what possible good press/advertising/branding is there from that? None. And ZERO mid-majors are benefitting from playing football.

[kreed5120]

3 hours ago, ZipCat said:

 

Most consistent program over the past 20 years. For MAC teams it ain't about NCAA wins, it's about NCAA appearances, and the most consistent team is Akron. 

 

It's just like how MAC Football isn't about being ranked or getting into the National Championship bracket, it's about post-season bowls and consistent over 500 seasons. The premium MAC football program is Ohio University, and Akron Basketball is the equivalent for Basketball.

 

That's like claiming to be the tallest midget. If the MAC kicked Akron out of the conference, the MAC might go from being the ~25th rated conference in hoops to the 27th or 28th. Akron basketball isn't earning the MAC any at-large bids and isn't winning any tournament games so it's not adding anything additional for the conference. 

 

Akron basketball has been good, but it hasn't been good enough, like a Gonzaga or a MVC days Wichita State, to carry the conference on its back. It would take that level of success for the MAC to cater to Akron's demands. Football is what drives MAC decisions. Basketball is a distant #2. All other sports are irrelevant.

Edited 1 hour ago by kreed5120

[clarkwgriswold]

2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

That's like claiming to be the tallest midget. If the MAC kicked Akron out of the conference, the MAC might go from being the ~25th rated conference in hoops to the 27th or 28th. Akron basketball isn't earning the MAC any at-large bids and isn't winning any tournament games so it's not adding any additional for the conference. 

 

Akron basketball has been good, but it hasn't been good enough, like a Gonzaga or a MVC days Wichita State, to carry the conference on its back. It would take that level of success for the MAC to cater to Akron's demands. Football is what drives MAC decisions. Basketball is a distant #2. All other sports are irrelevant.

Agreed, and that's where the MAC is getting it as wrong as the University of Akron.  Emphasizing an overly expensive sport that in which they have no chance of success on a national level.

[ZipCat]

3 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

That's like claiming to be the tallest midget. If the MAC kicked Akron out of the conference, the MAC might go from being the ~25th rated conference in hoops to the 27th or 28th. Akron basketball isn't earning the MAC any at-large bids and isn't winning any tournament games so it's not adding anything additional for the conference. 

 

Akron basketball has been good, but it hasn't been good enough, like a Gonzaga or a MVC days Wichita State, to carry the conference on its back. It would take that level of success for the MAC to cater to Akron's demands. Football is what drives MAC decisions. Basketball is a distant #2. All other sports are irrelevant.

 

Then the MAC shouldn't exist at all then right? It exists only because the universities' students subsidize the MAC's existence by taking on absurd levels of debt for a "product" that will never be anything than, as you put it, the tallest midget.

 

Sorry, but the Emperor is wearing no clothes. Why are we allowing this absolutely insane system to continue?