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He wasn't even on Mr. Pinky's first team late in the season! LOL.

2023-24 MAC Men’s Basketball All-MAC Teams & Specialty Award Winners Coach of the Year: Tony Barbee, Central Michigan Player of the Year: Enrique Freeman, Senior, Forward, Akron* Co-Defensive Player of the Year: Anthony Pritchard, Junior, Guard, Central Michigan Co-Defensive Player of the Year: Tyler Cochran, Junior, Guard, Toledo Freshman of the Year: Javan Simmons, Forward, Toledo* Sixth Man of the Year: JaVaughn Hannah, Sophomore, Guard, Western Michigan * - unanimous selection by 11 opposing head coaches All-MAC First Team Ali Ali, Senior, Guard, Akron Enrique Freeman, Senior, Forward, Akron Marcus Hill, Junior, Guard, Bowling Green Anthony Pritchard, Junior, Guard, Central Michigan Ra’Heim Moss, Junior, Guard, Toledo All-MAC Second Team Basheer Jihad, Junior, Forward, Ball State Rashaun Agee, Senior, Forward, Bowling Green Jaylin Hunter, Senior, Guard, Ohio Dante Maddox Jr., Junior, Guard, Toledo Tyler Cochran, Junior, Guard, Toledo All-MAC Third Team Brian Taylor, Graduate Student, Guard, Central Michigan Tyson Acuff, Junior, Guard, Eastern Michigan Jalen Sullinger, Junior, Guard, Kent State David Coit, Junior, Guard, Northern Illinois AJ Clayton, Junior, Forward, Ohio All-MAC Honorable Mention Greg Tribble, Senior, Guard, Akron VonCameron Davis, R-Junior, Forward, Kent State Anderson Mirambeaux, Senior, Center, Miami Darweshi Hunter, Graduate Student, Guard, Miami B. Artis White, R-Junior, Guard, Western Michigan MAC All-Freshman Team Arne Osojnik, Guard, Eastern Michigan Eian Elmer, Wing, Miami Will Lovings-Watts, Guard, Northern Illinois Javan Simmons, Forward, Toledo Sonny Wilson, Guard, Toledo MAC All-Defensive Team Greg Tribble, Senior, Guard, Akron Enrique Freeman, Senior, Forward, Akron Anthony Pritchard, Junior, Guard, Central Michigan Tyler Cochran, Junior, Guard, Toledo Ra’Heim Moss, Junior, Guard, Toledo

It has to be something we don't see in games. He's as offensively talented as any of the point guards on the team. He has his defensive issues and occasional bad decision but there has to be more at issue, like not practicing hard or completely buying into the "Groce way."

Thought of him yesterday. He's averaging 18.1 points and 7.5 rebounds at IUP!

At this point of the season there should be few if any surprises. As a result, often, late in the season you see teams try to run their offensive sets for 20 seconds, give up, then have a big man come out top to set a screen for a guard who goes and tries to make a play.

Well....then.....they're at least getting what they're paying for......

Amen. I was just thinking of that in the last couple of days. There was even talk of an undefeated MAC season. Oh how the worm has turned! I can only go Friday and Saturday and now I am wondering how much of my weekend will now be open.

Arth was hired on December 14, 2018. That would be 5+ years.

Drake wins the MVC.

I'm surprised no team has exploited Toledo's lack of size.

To Sammy's credit, I don't think it's an effort thing. He's usually on a shorter faster guy when Enrique is in the game and he just doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay with them. When Enrique is out, he's usually matched up with a bigger bodied post player that pushes him around.

The defense seemed to drop off in the second half. The team average points surrendered on the season was 66.2. Since Madison, they gave up 71.8 ppg.

They're getting out-physicaled at every turn. I'm not sure that's fixable. They are also reaallllllly predictable and you see defenses prepared for things like Freeman in the post, Ali backing people down and Tribble penetrating into the lane, Dawson never penetrating....

I don't think he got the joke.

The list of people to blame: John Groce Dustin Ford Rob Fulford Robby Pridgen Amani Lyles Shammah Scott Greg Tribble Kaleb Thornton Tavari Johnson Ryan Prather Jr. Sammy Hunter Evan Wilson Zach Halligan Mikal Dawson Ali Ali Enrique Freeman Nate Johnson Okay, now that we have that out of the way, what's the solution and is this fixable?

Stan Heath gets my vote. He led a team he didn't recruit to the Elite 8 two decades ago.

As bad as the MAC has been this year, they should be sent to Dayton for a play in game for punishment! Looking back, with the exception of Freeman, there's really no one that has exceeded expectations. Tribble's offense was certainly improved. Ali is the same player he was two years ago and has not lived up to his pre-season first team All-MAC status. Hunter's the same guy we saw the last two season. Dawson has been bad. Nate gets an incomplete (and an inconsistent). Scott was merely a defensive presence. Thornton was meh. Tavari failed to grow as a player. Lyles is merely a 5 minute a game player. I guess maybe we got more out of Prather than expected. At the end of the day, this team needs guys to step up to help Freeman and that's not happening recently. Sure, the talent's there on paper, but since they left for JMU, they've folded like paper when challenged.

Any more thoughts on this now that we've seen everyone? From what I saw, Jihad from Ball State was the second best player in the league. I'd also move Coit into first team consideration. The late season Zips meltdown takes Grice out of the COY discussion.

Groce needs to have one of these kinds of rants at the team-

The Zips have lost to the 6 and 7 seeds and two teams that didn't make the tournament in the last month. You have good reason to be worried.

I'd sure like to be a fly on that lockerroom wall to see just what's going on behind the scenes.

This thread can serve as the game threads for the tournament. No need to create a new one.

This team is LOST. Groce and staff have until Thursday to help them be found.

They gave up 59 points in the second half to an 11-19 team.