kreed5120 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 1981 grad said: Finally, I disagree with the post that KD is leaving because the MaC is only a 1 bid conference. Akron had a chance to be an at large team in the NCAA. During our winning streak, we were getting votes in the polls. If we did not lost at Ohio, Kent, Bowling Green and then at home to Miami, we would have gotten an at large bid if we had only lost the conference final. Our team was not good enough to get an at large bid. I don't care what conference you are in, if the team does not play great basketball, it will not get an at large bid. Being in the MAC gave us an advantage of not playing top teams each week. We faded at the end of the past 2 seasons and have nobody to blame but ourselves. So if we went 18-0 in MAC play? No team in MAC history has ever gone 18-0, 16-0, or 14-0. This team wasn't deserving of an at-large, but the fact you state Akron would have had to run the table to get an-large tells you all you need to know about the MAC... Edit: I agree we could have used a better OOC, but you still play >2/3 of your games against your conference. Edited March 28, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 This is fun. Do we have easy lives and live in a great country, or what?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Dambrot interviewed on WAKR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Yeah seriously if only we went undefeated every year we'd be a lock for the tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: So if we went 18-0 in MAC play? No team in MAC history has ever gone 18-0, 16-0, or 14-0. This team wasn't deserving of an at-large, but the fact you state Akron would have had to run the table to get an-large tells you all you need to know about the MAC... Edit: I agree we could have used a better OOC, but you still play >2/3 of your games against your conference. My point being if our team was a tournament worthy team, we would have run the table or only had one lost. Further, we should have blown some teams out. If we had played in the Big Ten or other multi bid conference, I do not think this team would have had a winning record to qualify for an at large bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: So if we went 18-0 in MAC play? No team in MAC history has ever gone 18-0, 16-0, or 14-0. This team wasn't deserving of an at-large, but the fact you state Akron would have had to run the table to get an-large tells you all you need to know about the MAC... We all know the MAC isn't good. Luckily close to half of the season is made up of the OOC schedule. Schedule there better and actually BEAT some of those teams and you can make a case for an at-large. Outside of St Marys and Gonzaga, the WCC is not better than the MAC. The difference St Marys and Gonzaga go out and get it done in the OOC. If we were able to beat Gonzaga or Creighton and avoided blunders like YSU, Miami, and BG, I think we would have had a real shot at an at-large. We did nothing to prove we were worthy of an at-large this year or any other year and blaming it on our conference is a cop out. KD can go to that 3-4 bid conference, but he isn't in the MAC anymore. Its going to be hard as hell to break in the top 3-4 of that conference. Harder than winning the MAC probably. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 So so many issues re-awakened by KD's departure- facilities, budgets, the quality of the MAC.... Hopefully, this is the impetus for the administration to confront these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, LZIp said: We all know the MAC isn't good. Luckily close to half of the season is made up of the OOC schedule. Schedule there better and actually BEAT some of those teams and you can make a case for an at-large. Outside of St Marys and Gonzaga, the WCC is not better than the MAC. The difference St Marys and Gonzaga go out and get it done in the OOC. If we were able to beat Gonzaga or Creighton and avoided blunders like YSU, Miami, and BG, I think we would have had a real shot at an at-large. We did nothing to prove we were worthy of an at-large this year or any other year and blaming it on our conference is a cop out. KD can go to that 3-4 bid conference, but he isn't in the MAC anymore. Its going to be hard as hell to break in the top 3-4 of that conference. Harder than winning the MAC probably. There are 13 OOC games and between the MAC tournament (if you make it to the finals) and the regular MAC season there are 21 conference games so not even close to half. Gonzaga and Wichita State have helped prop up the WCC and MVC to provide at-large opportunities to schools like Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Saint Mary's. This year outside of Akron there were 0 MAC schools even in the top 100 for RPI. If the MAC was better as a whole you wouldn't have to go out and whore yourself out for 3-4 road games and pray that winning 2-3 of them is going to be enough to compensate for how much the MAC drags you down. Edit :I've already stated this wasn't an at-large caliber team. The fact is if the only way for the MAC team to get an at-large is to go on a trail or tears OOC schedule, we'll never see a MAC at-large in my lifetime. Teams need to be able to at least pick up some top 75 wins in conference play Edited March 28, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/25/2017 at 10:37 AM, clarkwgriswold said: A retention bonus this year brought Dambrot's overall compensation and benefits to $932,071, up from $626,414 last year. Do we get that retention bonus back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: If the MAC was better as a whole you wouldn't have to go out and whore yourself out for 3-4 road games and pray that winning 2-3 of them is going to be enough to compensate for how pitiful the MAC has become. If we "whored" ourselves out to 3 or 4 of those "road game only" programs and won 2 or 3 of them, I think that could have the makings of a dream season for Akron Basketball. It wouldn't even matter how weak the MAC was that particular season if you can accomplish that. Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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morris buttermaker Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Answer:... 308 Question:...How many days until Adrian or Hiram show up at the A.J. Palumbo Center 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Looks like TW even messed this up. University is only getting 100k for KD's buyout. Edited March 28, 2017 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, morris buttermaker said: Answer:... 308 Question:...How many days until Adrian or Hiram show up at the A.J. Palumbo Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kreed5120 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, skip-zip said: If we "whored" ourselves out to 3 or 4 of those "road game only" programs and won 2 or 3 of them, I think that could have the makings of a dream season for Akron Basketball. It wouldn't even matter how weak the MAC was that particular season if you can accomplish that. Sign me up. I don't think people realize how hard it is to win on the road in college basketball. Georgia Tech spent most the season on the bubble by going 7-2 at home during ACC play. Their road record during conference play was 1-8. Syracuse nearly got in off of solely their 8-1 conference home record (compared to 2-7 road). Spending your OOC going to Creighton, Gonzaga, UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. and expecting to win nearly everyone of those games is delusional and will never happen. Edited March 28, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Spending your OOC going to Creighton, Gonzaga, UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. and having to win nearly everyone of those games is delusional and will never happen. But those games also keep broke programs afloat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 42 minutes ago, Sergeant Zip said: Dambrot interviewed on WAKR I have interpreted his feeling for years in many of his comments. Sounds like a good time to move on when you feel like that. I think he is making the right choice, and will learn something about his career one way or another from this choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I don't think people realize how hard it is to win on the road in college basketball. Georgia Tech spent most the season on the bubble by going 7-2 at home during ACC play. Their road record during conference play was 1-8. Syracuse nearly got in off of solely their 8-1 conference home record (compared to 2-7 road). Spending your OOC going to Creighton, Gonzaga, UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. and having to win nearly everyone of those games is delusional and will never happen. So instead of shooting down every solution, what is yours to take the next step? Or are you just being a contrarian? Or are you just comfortable with the way things are? KD himself said part of the reason he left is because he didn't feel good after a 27 win season. Yet others on here who stated that were attacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyolcrowe Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, morris buttermaker said: But those games also keep broke programs afloat how much did we get from playing Gonzaga and Creighton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, LZIp said: So instead of shooting down every solution, what is yours to take the next step? Or are you just being a contrarian? Or are you just comfortable with the way things are? KD himself said part of the reason he left is because he didn't feel good after a 27 win season. Yet others on here who stated that were attacked. Well for starters, and most importantly, I'd like to see the MAC as a whole work together to improve the basketball profile of the conference. B&G generously posted the budgets for all D1 schools. Ohio and Akron each spent about $3.1 million which placed both programs at #122 and #123 nationally. The next best was BGSU at #162 spending ~700k less. Last place was CMU at #240 spending $1.65M or about half of what Akron and Ohio's budget. As for scheduling I'm okay with us collecting 2 paycheck games like we did last year. How I'd like to see OOC scheduling improved is with more home and homes and teams like Belmont, MTSU, UNC-Wilm, Valpo, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Well for starters, and most importantly, I'd like to see the MAC as a whole work together to improve the basketball profile of the conference. B&G generously posted the budgets for all D1 schools. Ohio and Akron each spent about $3.1 million which placed both programs at #122 and #123 nationally. The next best was BGSU at #162 spending ~700k less. Last place was CMU at #240 spending $1.65M or about half of what Akron and Ohio's budget. As for scheduling I'm okay with us collecting 2 paycheck games like we did last year. How I'd like to see OOC scheduling improved is with more home and homes and teams like Belmont, MTSU, UNC-Wilm, Valpo, etc. Yeah my ideal schedule, assuming 13 OOC games would be something like 2 ATM games 5 solid mid major matchups (the Belmonts, Monmouths, Valpos... Akrons of the mid-major world) 3 games in a tournament with some okay names - Diamond Head is perfect 1-2 cupcakes Duquesne so we can crush them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: Well for starters, and most importantly, I'd like to see the MAC as a whole work together to improve the basketball profile of the conference. B&G generously posted the budgets for all D1 schools. Ohio and Akron each spent about $3.1 million which placed both programs at #122 and #123 nationally. The next best was BGSU at #162 spending ~700k less. Last place was CMU at #240 spending $1.65M or about half of what Akron and Ohio's budget. As for scheduling I'm okay with us collecting 2 paycheck games like we did last year. How I'd like to see OOC scheduling improved is with more home and homes and teams like Belmont, MTSU, UNC-Wilm, Valpo, etc. That seems fair, and I don't really think its too far off from what I am saying scheduling wise. Can't speak for 1981 grad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, dirtyolcrowe said: how much did we get from playing Gonzaga and Creighton? My guess is not as much as we paid out for cream puffs to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, dirtyolcrowe said: how much did we get from playing Gonzaga and Creighton? IDK....but here is Bethune-Cookman "For bigger schools, the going rate (for guarantee games) is about $80,000, plus hotel and transportation while you're there," Craig said. "Stanford is paying us 75 or 80. We called them up and added them late, since we were already going to be out there and we needed one more guarantee game. The bigger schools are always looking. The big schools have money to give. They usually go out and buy three or four games." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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