Enrollment

[72 Roo]

I stand by what I said. Tressel would have been so much better than Scarborough that it isn't even up for debate. Somehow Miller has been brought into a discussion of events five years before Gary came here. I did not criticize him nor the job he did. I think he was very good for Akron following what Wilson left him. Please criticize someone for what they say, not what you think they say. 

 

I do appreciate Zippy 5 for his advice to read all the posts before commenting. He/She is right. I should have read ahead. But he/she did call me "brother" and I appreciate getting all the family I can.

[eguins]

On 9/18/2024 at 1:55 PM, zippy5 said:

Eastern Gateway Community College in Youngstown closed and a large number of students went to YSU. Their increase is a one-time anomaly

Not quite. Over 400 came from EGCC, while enrollment was up 1,100. Certainly a factor, but not a majority of increase.

[zippy5]

2 hours ago, eguins said:

Not quite. Over 400 came from EGCC, while enrollment was up 1,100. Certainly a factor, but not a majority of increase.

I see. How many high school students in "College Credit Plus" are included in the 1,100?

[ZipCat]

On 9/18/2024 at 9:43 PM, 72 Roo said:

We should seriously investigate what YSU did to increase enrollment. Any program they instituted when done by Tressel. The same guy who wanted to be president at UA but was opposed by the AAUP. He would have been great here.

 

YSU is an absolute dumbster fire. I'm close friends with a lot of faculty at YSU, that is definitely not the route you want to go as a University.

 

And hiring Jim Tressel to be President of the University of Akron was an absolute embarrassment, and does not speak well to the University that would be so desperate to do that. YSU was trying to cling to relevancy. UA is supposed, or at least was supposed, to have a higher credibility than trying to cling to relevancy.

[ZipCat]

On 9/19/2024 at 3:56 PM, 72 Roo said:

I stand by what I said. Tressel would have been so much better than Scarborough that it isn't even up for debate.

 

It's the fact that those were our two options that looks bad. That's a failure of the Politically Appointed Board of Trustees. I for the life of me will never understand while alumni of this institution so willingly give a free pass to those politically appointed hacks. It's been nothing but failure from the BoT clowns, and you want to blame the AAUP...speaks volumes.

[ZippyRulz]

AFAIK all of the Ohio public universities' trustees are politically appointed.

Edited October 16 by ZippyRulz

[zip-O-matic]

On 10/15/2024 at 11:31 AM, ZipCat said:

 

It's the fact that those were our two options that looks bad. That's a failure of the Politically Appointed Board of Trustees. I for the life of me will never understand while alumni of this institution so willingly give a free pass to those politically appointed hacks. It's been nothing but failure from the BoT clowns, and you want to blame the AAUP...speaks volumes.

 

No thank you to elected trustees.  That would create infinitely more problems than it would solve.  Plenty of other Ohio public schools do just fine with their appointed trustees.

[ZipCat]

6 hours ago, zip-O-matic said:

 

No thank you to elected trustees.  That would create infinitely more problems than it would solve.  Plenty of other Ohio public schools do just fine with their appointed trustees.

 

Who said anything about elected Trustees? Have them nominated, vetted and approved by people of the University Community; not political hack appointments.

[ZipCat]

On 10/16/2024 at 6:31 PM, ZippyRulz said:

AFAIK all of the Ohio public universities' trustees are politically appointed.

 

That doesn't mean they should get a free pass. Their incompetence (bred from their status of being politically appointed by equally incompetent clowns) is really why UA is in the state it's in. They're the ones who have greenlit every leadership decision, project, program, initiative and major hire at UA. And people want to blame the professors...it's unbelievably stupid.

[zip-O-matic]

15 hours ago, ZipCat said:

 

That doesn't mean they should get a free pass. Their incompetence (bred from their status of being politically appointed by equally incompetent clowns) is really why UA is in the state it's in. They're the ones who have greenlit every leadership decision, project, program, initiative and major hire at UA. And people want to blame the professors...it's unbelievably stupid.

 

My understanding is that the university leadership already has a fair amount of say into whom the Governor appoints.  It's the reason that Miami's board is almost all alumni--which is really hurting them but if that's what they want.  Again, having appointed trustees doesn't seem to hold back Ohio State or Cincinnati, so what's the difference in who's getting onto our board?

 

On a different note, has the administration released any enrollment numbers for this Fall or are they trying to bury the numbers?

[ZipCat]

8 hours ago, zip-O-matic said:

 

doesn't seem to hold back Ohio State or Cincinnati, so what's the difference in who's getting onto our board?

 

Because it's Ohio State? That's like comparing apples and granite. It's not even close to comparable. And any incompetent BoT is going to be dismissed instantly. OSU alumni wouldn't stand for the level of incompetence seen by Akron's BoT.

 

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On a different note, has the administration released any enrollment numbers for this Fall or are they trying to bury the numbers?

 

That's a good question...but I bet that's also somehow magically the AAUP's fault.

[ZippyRulz]

https://www.the-daily-record.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/11/11/ohio-shrinking-population-solutions-needed/75839793007/

 

Editorial about Ohio's projected population shrinkage.

 

[Blue & Gold]

 

[ClevelandZip]

11 hours ago, ZippyRulz said:

https://www.the-daily-record.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/11/11/ohio-shrinking-population-solutions-needed/75839793007/

 

Editorial about Ohio's projected population shrinkage.

 

 

 

Edit: Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

Edited November 13 by ClevelandZip

[GP1]

16 hours ago, ZippyRulz said:

https://www.the-daily-record.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/11/11/ohio-shrinking-population-solutions-needed/75839793007/

 

Editorial about Ohio's projected population shrinkage.

 

This is fascinating. Thanks for posting. 

 

I live in South Carolina, but if there were no other cars on the road, it would take me less than 20 minutes to get to the Carolina Panthers stadium. 

 

Charlotte is a bustling city. The part of CLT that is most happening is the South End just across a bridge from uptown. South Blvd runs through it. When moved here 18 years, a mayor of CLT referred to South Blvd as The Corridor of Crap. Now, there are 10 miles of things to do. It's designed for young people to have fun.

 

What happened in CLT could happen in Cleveland and to a smaller extent Akron. These cities MUST make their downtowns a place for young people to live, work and have fun. The failure of Cleveland has been not making downtown an attractive place to live and hoping people from suburbs come and spend money. If the people already live there, there is a lot less hoping. Columbus figured this out two decades ago. Cincinnati figured out later than Columbus and I hear it now has a busy downtown. Cleveland needs to figure it out soon. 

 

I can't believe the amount of energy people in Cleveland are putting into trying to keep the Browns by the lake. The best thing that could happen to Cleveland would be for that pile of junk of a franchise to move out to that junkyard by the airport and play there. It opens up acres of land for lakefront property and development for young people. That area would be better than Charlotte's South End. 

[ZipCat]

Any competent leadership could have seen this coming 20 years ago. Yet, continuously the incompetent BoT put President after President in charge of the University who were nothing more than overpaid resume building jumpers who needed to fund their vacation yachts.

[Hilltopper]

14 hours ago, GP1 said:

This is fascinating. Thanks for posting. 

 

I live in South Carolina, but if there were no other cars on the road, it would take me less than 20 minutes to get to the Carolina Panthers stadium. 

 

Charlotte is a bustling city. The part of CLT that is most happening is the South End just across a bridge from uptown. South Blvd runs through it. When moved here 18 years, a mayor of CLT referred to South Blvd as The Corridor of Crap. Now, there are 10 miles of things to do. It's designed for young people to have fun.

 

What happened in CLT could happen in Cleveland and to a smaller extent Akron. These cities MUST make their downtowns a place for young people to live, work and have fun. The failure of Cleveland has been not making downtown an attractive place to live and hoping people from suburbs come and spend money. If the people already live there, there is a lot less hoping. Columbus figured this out two decades ago. Cincinnati figured out later than Columbus and I hear it now has a busy downtown. Cleveland needs to figure it out soon. 

 

I can't believe the amount of energy people in Cleveland are putting into trying to keep the Browns by the lake. The best thing that could happen to Cleveland would be for that pile of junk of a franchise to move out to that junkyard by the airport and play there. It opens up acres of land for lakefront property and development for young people. That area would be better than Charlotte's South End. 

CLT is warm and sunny all year. NEO is cold and gloomy from December to mid March. That is a big reason why people are flocking there and to other southern cities.

[GP1]

13 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

CLT is warm and sunny all year. NEO is cold and gloomy from December to mid March. That is a big reason why people are flocking there and to other southern cities.

My life experience tells me that no matter how hot it is out, no matter how cold it is outside, it's always 72 degrees on a barstool. Cleveland can do this. Maybe not on the scale of CLT, but it can be done. 

Edited November 15 by GP1

[zip-O-matic]

Cleveland never recognized this because they were too busy telling themselves that they weren't the mistake on the lake and were really just a smaller version of Chicago (I've heard that more than once), so there never seemed to be a sense of urgency.  Cincinnati had the same attitude until the racial riots and lockdowns in the early 2000s forced them out of their sense of complacency.  Columbus, on the other hand, always had that little brother sense of insecurity and subsequent drive to get better.  They were gentrifying downtown neighborhoods as far back as the 80s.

[zip-O-matic]

As far as this relates to college enrollment, it goes back to my previous posts.  Get Ohio State to cap their freshman classes at 7000.  Give them what they want in exchange.  Officially designate them the state's flagship--hell, that's what they were founded to be and it's the clear reality today.  Give them a funding bill separate from the rest of the system--they always had one until the 60s, so it would be nothing more than a return to the historical norm.

 

And force a reckoning on the massive amount of redundant, lowly ranked doctoral and professional programs that have risen up around the state and refocus that money towards undergraduate education.  There's no reason that Ohio needs to have as many public law and medical schools as California.  

[zippy-claws]

7 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

CLT is warm and sunny all year. NEO is cold and gloomy from December to mid March. That is a big reason why people are flocking there and to other southern cities.

And also where the jobs are!

[egregiousbob]

 

3 hours ago, zip-O-matic said:

As far as this relates to college enrollment, it goes back to my previous posts.  Get Ohio State to cap their freshman classes at 7000.  Give them what they want in exchange.  Officially designate them the state's flagship--hell, that's what they were founded to be and it's the clear reality today.  Give them a funding bill separate from the rest of the system--they always had one until the 60s, so it would be nothing more than a return to the historical norm.

 

And force a reckoning on the massive amount of redundant, lowly ranked doctoral and professional programs that have risen up around the state and refocus that money towards undergraduate education.  There's no reason that Ohio needs to have as many public law and medical schools as California.  

 

OU graduates more primary care physicians than OSU by far.  Also more than Cincy, Toledo, Wright State and NEOMed.  There are some very high quality graduate programs outside of Columbus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zip-O-matic]

4 hours ago, egregiousbob said:

 

 

OU graduates more primary care physicians than OSU by far.  Also more than Cincy, Toledo, Wright State and NEOMed.  There are some very high quality graduate programs outside of Columbus.

 

Good for them.  Hell, OU might produce more primary care physicians than Johns Hopkins for all I know.  Sounds like they provide a need, particularly as it relates to rural care physicians.  They get to stay. That doesn't mean that all the rest need to exist.

 

There are some very high quality graduate programs outside of Columbus.  I don't disagree with that.  There are also a literal f**k ton of completely irrelevant, lowly ranked ones borne of arrogant, egotistical empire building that the state should rid itself of and refocus that money towards undergraduate education.  

Edited November 15 by zip-O-matic

[Hilltopper]

6 hours ago, zippy-claws said:

And also where the jobs are!

Not only that, but it is also a huge magnet for people who have a work at home job. My son lived there for a while. Probably 50% of the people in his apartment complex fell into that category. 

[zip-O-matic]

Found it.  It was pretty buried.

 

13,356 total enrollment and 9263 undergraduate at Akron campus.

 

https://www.uakron.edu/ir/student-enrollment