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8 minutes ago, 1981 grad said:

Because the way Kd plays a team oriented game with an emphasis on defense, I cannot remember the last time anyone scored 33 or more points in a game.  I tried looking it up but could not find an answer so I will throw out this question to someone who has a higher Zip IQ than me.  Who was the last Zip to score 33 or more in a single game?

 

Just a guess but maybe D Tarver??

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Last night it was like taking candy from a baby for Big Dog when he got the ball down low. The CMU fans seated behind me kept screaming for the double team but Keno wouldn't do it so Dog made them pay. When KD took him out of the game late in the second half he was not happy, shaking his head saying No when he saw E-man at the scorers table. After sitting for about 2 minutes and watching CMU make a run he got up on his own and walked to the scorers table to be put back in the game. Both Dog and Chop showed great senior leadership last night.

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41 minutes ago, zippyfan34 said:

If Rischaun Holmes can make it I think Kwan has a chance

 

NBA?  Enjoying Kwan's improvement this year a little too much?  Go for it.  

 

Holmes has all the physical tools, and had the numbers.  Hard to compare him at all to a guy who just reached 10 pts. and 6 rebounds per game.  I'd unfortunately have to rate Kwan's chances at zero right now, unless he has a remarkable last 15 games of his career.   But I love what he's done during his career to become a bigger contributor for the Zips.  

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http://www.themorningsun.com/sports/20170110/indefensible-central-michigan-unable-to-get-key-stops-in-loss-to-akron
 

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“Nobody else in the league has Isaiah Johnson,” Davis said. “There are a lot of other good players, but when you have a player you can center your entire offense around and can go to on almost every offensive possession – we didn’t have the answer for that.”

 

 

Would have figured that the nation's leading scorer would be exactly that.

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16 minutes ago, 1981 grad said:

Best answer thus far, from 2007 against Bowling Green:

 

"Zips senior forward Romeo Travis set a career high with 37 points in his final regular season home game. He did much of it at the foul line, making 16 of 23 free throws."

And that would be the correct answer because I recall Reggie McAdams scoring 31 against CMU and under his GoZips bio it states he "came off the bench to score a career-high 31 points on 10-of-13 shooting (6-of-9 from 3-point range) and grabbed a career-high six boards in just 23 minutes against Central Michigan on Jan. 17 ... his 31-point performance was tied for the 11th-most by a MAC play during the 2014-15 season ... became the first by a Zip in 265 games to score at least 30 points in a game (37, Romeo Travis, Feb. 24, 2007)"

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4 minutes ago, MDZip said:

I recall Reggie McAdams scoring 31 against CMU

 

I was just thinking about that game too.  You found the numbers before I did.  Nice job. 

 

I remember him going to the bench late in the game, and the crowd was chanting Reg-gie...Reg-gie.   I thought I was at a 1977 Yankees game for a minute.  

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9 minutes ago, MDZip said:

And that would be the correct answer because I recall Reggie McAdams scoring 31 against CMU and under his GoZips bio it states he "came off the bench to score a career-high 31 points on 10-of-13 shooting (6-of-9 from 3-point range) and grabbed a career-high six boards in just 23 minutes against Central Michigan on Jan. 17 ... his 31-point performance was tied for the 11th-most by a MAC play during the 2014-15 season ... became the first by a Zip in 265 games to score at least 30 points in a game (37, Romeo Travis, Feb. 24, 2007)"

I was thinking of that game but said the wrong guy!

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10 hours ago, skip-zip said:

 

NBA?  Enjoying Kwan's improvement this year a little too much?  Go for it.  

 

Holmes has all the physical tools, and had the numbers.  Hard to compare him at all to a guy who just reached 10 pts. and 6 rebounds per game.  I'd unfortunately have to rate Kwan's chances at zero right now, unless he has a remarkable last 15 games of his career.   But I love what he's done during his career to become a bigger contributor for the Zips.  

Don't rule it out that Kwan getting a shot at the NBA. It's not about the numbers with him, it's about what role he could bring to an NBA team; and as Channing Frye is showing, a 6-10 guy who can stretch the floor and knock down 3s is a very valuable commodity in the current landscape of the NBA. And Frye didn't become a 3-point shooter until he was 26 years old. Kwan is way ahead of Frye's development in that regard. 

 

Plus, even though Kwan is a senior, he is still 21 and doesn't turn 22 until August, so he's essentially the age of a lot of juniors and even some sophomores. That's not even considering he was like 6-2 up until his senior year, so it's not a huge surprise why it took him until his fourth year in the program to take off.

 

I'm not saying that he will be drafted because that's still highly unlikely. But he is definitely (along with Big Dog) going to get a Summer League invite. I could see him showing enough to get a camp offer. In fact, I think the team that is most likely to bring him on in Summer League would be the Cavs. And since the Cavs only have like two total draft picks in the next four years, they are going to continue to try to develop an undrafted/low 2nd round guy who gets cut (IE, Deandre Liggins/Jordan McRae), especially since they need a player or two like that just for salary purposes and lessen the luxury tax bill. If nothing else, the Cavs could stash if in Canton and continue to develop him to be Frye's replacement down the road, since a LeBron James team is always going to have a 4 who can step out and hit 3s, and Frye is going to be a free agent after the 2018 season and will be 36 years old. Maybe by that point, a guy like Kwan could give the team 70-80 percent of what Frye could, but at a fraction of the salary.

 

I'm just using the Cavs as an example since it's up the road and is a team where somebody like Kwan could fit.

 

Here's some food for thought:

 

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/621/p1

 

Above is the list of the the nation's 3-point made leaders per the NCAA. The cut-off is 34 made; Kwan has 33 so you can safely have him as the next person up who would be on the list. There is only one player taller than 6-10 on that list ... Arizona freshman Lauri Markkanen, who is a projected top 10 pick in this year's draft. After that, there is just one player 6-9, Arkansas sophomore D.J. Hogg, who draft express has rated the No 74 draft prospect (though draft express has Hogg listed at 6-8). After that, there is a five or so guys listed at 6-8, including Ohio's Kenny Kaminiski. 

 

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p1

 

Here is the leaders by percentage (you have to make 2.5 per game to qualify; Kwan is at 2.1 so isn't on the list). But his percentage of 42.9 percent would rank No. 39 in the country. Granted, I'm sure there are others who are also close to qualifying who would push Kwan down a bit if eligible. Still, I think if you put it at 2 made per game, Kwan would easily stay in the top 75. 

 

Bottom line, Kwan has developed into a pretty elite 3-pointer shooter at the college level, and is at the elite of the elite when it comes to players 6-9 or taller. Again, there he has just two peers in Markkanen, a sure-fire lotto pick and Hogg (likely drafted when he declares, I'm guessing after next season since the 2017 draft looks deep and the 2018 draft not as much.

 

P.S. since I mentioned Big Dog. I absolutely think he also lands on a Summer League roster, but not sure if he can make a team in this NBA landscape, where back-to-the-basket post players are being phased out unless they are elite rim protectors (which Dog isn't). The one thing Big Dog has going for him is his passing ability. That would be the reason he has a slim chance at making an NBA roster. If nothing else, I could see him going to Europe and being a monster over there for one of the top tier teams.

 

Actually, one final thing for anybody looking at stats to try to determine whether somebody could play in the NBA. Look no further than former Kent State center John Edwards, who managed to play in 65 NBA games over two seasons despite averaging 2/3/7 points per game in his first three yeas and then 13 points per game in his "breakout" senior season. Was he drafted on college numbers? Not a chance, but it was that he fit a role ... in his case as a 7-footer in the mid 2000s where just being 7-foot put you on the radar. In Kwan's case, him being 6-10 with a 3-point shot currently puts him in the John Edwards realm as far as what NBA teams are now looking for.

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