akronzips71 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 They will spend the money. A good hoops team attracts students, teachers and benefactors. Cheaping out would be a very poor business move. The issue here is not money, it is finding a quality coach who can at least keep us at the KD level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Great points, all around. But I'll just say that universities football and basketball (and soccer at UA) teams are the faces of the university. Those two (three) teams are generally the only reason a local population pays attention to a school. I didn't attend UA (I had a tiny little athletics scholly to Malone) but I've been following UA since I was in high school b/c they wear "Akron" on their chests (I could never have competed at UA's level). Over the years I've given thousands of dollars to UA b/c of football & basketball. Sadly, I'll admit, not because of their world-class engineering programs. Again, not saying that's a good thing, but it is what it is. I know I can't be the only Akron-area resident who supports the U b/c it's Akron U. One pet peeve of mine: when I'm wearing a UA t-shirt & someone asks, "Oh, did you go to Akron?" When I used to wear Ohio State gear no one ever asked me, "Oh, did you go to Ohio State?" Oh, and let me add this, which I occasionally post: IMO there shouldn't even be an "Athletics" budget. Anything athletics related should be grouped under "Advertising/Marketing" b/c that's what D-1 athletics actually are. Edited March 29, 2017 by Blue & Gold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, LZIp said: Paying a coach 250k and him not performing vs paying a coach 600k and him being at Keith's level or above can have much more than a net 350k impact. Sorry man. That's gambling money that this University does not have to gamble with. And they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 hours ago, LZIp said: Because I have not came across anything that states he had an offer from us. I don't see why that isn't considered a fair observation. It doesn't mean they didn't reach out to him. He might just not have been interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said: One pet peeve of mine: when I'm wearing a UA t-shirt & someone asks, "Oh, did you go to Akron?" When I used to wear Ohio State gear no one ever asked me, "Oh, did you go to Ohio State?" Oh, I always ask that! And if the person didn't actually attend Ohio State he or she gets a sneer or maybe an eye roll. I don't know about you all, but I'm done with the Dambrot threads. The new coach is all that matters now. I'm all for paying big bucks and getting the best...But with youth and exuberance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, LZIp said: It should be able to get you a lot, actually. Paying a coach 250k and him not performing vs paying a coach 600k and him being at Keith's level or above can have much more than a net 350k impact. I am guessing anyways. I said it before and I'll say it again. I believe cuts should start on the Women's basketball side, and that probably won't happen until after this season. I don't think a decision like that would be made at all. Title IV and all. Blatantly cutting back on a woman's sport to feed the Men's sport kinda feels like a violation to me. 38 minutes ago, akronzips71 said: They will spend the money. A good hoops team attracts students, teachers and benefactors. Bullshit. Having a 20+ win Akron team hasn't attracted a single student, a single teacher or a single benefactor. Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. I'm tired of people in education (as someone who works in education) spouting crap like that. It's unsubstantiated, and is a decision made on less than the reality. The private sector is also riddled with illogical garbage like that as well. Usually so someone can use it as justification to make a decision that personally benefits themselves, that they will never have to face the repercussions of making. Attracts students? Bullshit. That might work for isolated circumstances related to the 100th percentile of colleges, but not the majority. Certainly not a school like Akron. Attract Teachers? If you want to attract better teachers focus on: pay, benefits, research $. Benefactors? Maybe...as in new alumni becoming benefactors after graduation. But winning doesn't do that...CULTURE does. After all this success, has Akron had a drastic change in Culture? I haven't seen it in the 8 years I've been a Zips fan. I'm not trying to be a negative-nancy, but a comment like that is just asinine. Like seriously, we're never going to win the game of "Keeping Up With The Jonses". We've already lost it, we're already very far behind. But Universities will continue to throw money down the toilet chasing garbage logic like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Missed opportunity on Matt Figger. It happens. Plenty of solid candidates out there still though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Balsy said: I don't think a decision like that would be made at all. Title IV and all. Blatantly cutting back on a woman's sport to feed the Men's sport kinda feels like a violation to me. Bullshit. Having a 20+ win Akron team hasn't attracted a single student, a single teacher or a single benefactor. Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. I'm tired of people in education (as someone who works in education) spouting crap like that. It's unsubstantiated, and is a decision made on less than the reality. The private sector is also riddled with illogical garbage like that as well. Usually so someone can use it as justification to make a decision that personally benefits themselves, that they will never have to face the repercussions of making. Attracts students? Bullshit. That might work for isolated circumstances related to the 100th percentile of colleges, but not the majority. Certainly not a school like Akron. Attract Teachers? If you want to attract better teachers focus on: pay, benefits, research $. Benefactors? Maybe...as in new alumni becoming benefactors after graduation. But winning doesn't do that...CULTURE does. After all this success, has Akron had a drastic change in Culture? I haven't seen it in the 8 years I've been a Zips fan. I'm not trying to be a negative-nancy, but a comment like that is just asinine. Like seriously, we're never going to win the game of "Keeping Up With The Jonses". We've already lost it, we're already very far behind. But Universities will continue to throw money down the toilet chasing garbage logic like this. I agree with about 90% of this. The exceptions being schools like Gonzaga or VCU who break through from being a nobody to being a household name. Those schools are too far and in between for schools to be spending what they do to "Keep up with the Jonses". Coaches, not just basketball and football but non-revenue as well, are grossly overpaid. Some states have enacted legislation that restricts how much state schools can subsidize athletics and despite being an Akron sports fan, I'd support similar type legislation to get passed in Ohio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I agree with about 90% of this. The exceptions being schools like Gonzaga or VCU who break through from being a nobody to being a household name. Those schools are too far and in between for schools to be spending what they do to "Keep up with the Jonses". Coaches, not just basketball and football but non-revenue as well, are grossly overpaid. Some states have enacted legislation that restricts how much state schools can subsidize athletics and despite being an Akron sports fan, I'd support similar type legislation to get passed in Ohio. You can't put toothpaste back in the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris buttermaker Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Thanks Balsy for saving me from typing most of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, morris buttermaker said: Thanks Balsy for saving me from typing most of that. The two of you need to leave. You are NOT fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 We need some coaching news fast 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, akronzips71 said: The two of you need to leave. You are NOT fans. Fans they are.... fanatics they are not. Since you chose to single them out.... The way I see things, Morris & Balsy are fans that care about the athletic programs and the school. To me, they have opinions that are outside of athletics and more of a whole school approach. You are a fanatic and walk with blinders and look past the facts. I wish ZNO was full of posters like Morris & Ballsy and would love to see the ones who just spew nonsense "go away." But that's what makes ZNO entertaining. Edited March 29, 2017 by Sportsjunkie330 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Isn't this one of the stages of grief? "Turning Against Each Other." Fanatics v Fans? Talk about parsing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, akronzips71 said: The two of you need to leave. You are NOT fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Arguing with people in 1 thread, meanwhile, agreeing with them in the next. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Balsy said: I don't think a decision like that would be made at all. Title IV and all. Blatantly cutting back on a woman's sport to feed the Men's sport kinda feels like a violation to me. Bullshit. Having a 20+ win Akron team hasn't attracted a single student, a single teacher or a single benefactor. Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. I'm tired of people in education (as someone who works in education) spouting crap like that. It's unsubstantiated, and is a decision made on less than the reality. The private sector is also riddled with illogical garbage like that as well. Usually so someone can use it as justification to make a decision that personally benefits themselves, that they will never have to face the repercussions of making. Attracts students? Bullshit. That might work for isolated circumstances related to the 100th percentile of colleges, but not the majority. Certainly not a school like Akron. Attract Teachers? If you want to attract better teachers focus on: pay, benefits, research $. Benefactors? Maybe...as in new alumni becoming benefactors after graduation. But winning doesn't do that...CULTURE does. After all this success, has Akron had a drastic change in Culture? I haven't seen it in the 8 years I've been a Zips fan. I'm not trying to be a negative-nancy, but a comment like that is just asinine. Like seriously, we're never going to win the game of "Keeping Up With The Jonses". We've already lost it, we're already very far behind. But Universities will continue to throw money down the toilet chasing garbage logic like this. I did not say to cut Women's basketball. I said cuts should start on the women's basketball side. To be more specific Jodi Kest's run seems to be over. They've had a few down seasons now, including a very bad one last year and the future does not look bright. The sport produces essentially no revenue yet has similar expenses (give or take a few hundred thousand due to coaching salaries) to the men's basketball team. Jodi is paid somewhere north of 320k. In my quick 10 minutes of research, that seems to be close to twice the amount of the average MAC women's coaches salary. As for you calling bullshit about good sports teams attracting students, donors, etc., I will simply leave this. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/a-cinderella-story-how-universities-benefit-from-being-an-ncaa-tournament-underdog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Easy guys. A forum is a place for the free expression of ideas concerning a topic of common interest. To that end, it will have dissenters and contrarians. Some of them/us, are just plain full of ****, but nonetheless, everyone on here wants what they think is best for UA (with the exception of trollers from other schools). As such..........relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a-zip Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 9 hours ago, LZIp said: Dix Stadium - 20,500 Doyt Perrty - 23,724 Yager - 30,012 Info - 30,000 Peden -24,000 UB Stadium - 29,031 Glass Bowl - apparently 26k, but had record 37k once. Husky stadium - 24,000 Kelly Shorts - 30,255 Rynearson - 30,200 Scheumann - 22,500 Waldo - 30,200 Looks like we have a pretty middle of the road sized stadium compared to our peers. Seems reasonable to me. You are comparing FOOTBALL seating in a conference that most of us don't want to be in. Regardless of what their stadiums can hold, how many actually show up to these games? If that was the rationale used to build drop $60M on the Info, that is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Sportsjunkie330 said: Fans they are.... fanatics they are not. Since you chose to single them out.... The way I see things, Morris & Balsy are fans that care about the athletic programs and the school. To me, they have opinions that are outside of athletics and more of a whole school approach. You are a fanatic and walk with blinders and look past the facts. I wish ZNO was full of posters like Morris & Ballsy and would love to see the ones who just spew nonsense "go away." But that's what makes ZNO entertaining. With your reputation on this board...LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 So anything new in Zips basketball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackburn Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, NWAkron said: So anything new in Zips basketball? What do you think of this new list of coaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Blackburn said: What do you think of this new list of coaches? I think you forgot the attachment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 hours ago, NWAkron said: Fanatics v Fans Wasn't that an episode of Survivor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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