Game #6 CMU @ Akron - 3:30 pm October 3rd: Catdaddyp July Preview → Official Game Thread

[MangoZip]

I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure that most programs say goodbye to players when they enter the portal, it’s common practice. It’s not a matter of being stubborn it’s just a reality. Can you imagine if you didn’t do that? Every kid could just enter the portal and see what they get and come back if they don’t find what they want. And what does a program do while they are waiting for a kid to decide if he’s coming back? Do they just not recruit or offer until each kid makes his decision? They could end up in late spring with no kids. They really have to move on when kids enter the portal. 
 

I agree that Joe is a good person and a good football mind, but is he a good head coach? That remains to be seen. My other issue with him, is that he doesn’t seem to be a good promoter/ambassador of the program - unless he’s doing it very quietly behind the scenes (which in and of itself would say he’s not). This program needs a good coach and a good salesman to the public and student body. Like everything, wins would solve most of these issues. It just feels like since he’s been here it’s been one step forward and two steps back - stuck in an endless cycle. 

Edited 13 hours ago by MangoZip

[GP1]

13 minutes ago, LZIp said:

 

 

I think Joe is a good football mind, seems like a solid person, and is pretty much doing the best anyone else would be doing here in this era of college athletics. But if we want to be a respectable G5 program, he needs to adapt. Additionally, regardless of who the HC is, the University/Alumni/fan base need to step up their support. I don’t think any HC is going to produce a regular winner here without a respectable budget and NIL support.

I agree. He's Chuck Martin without the financial support and competent ADs. Martin has a slightly under .500 record at Miami, but has won 61% of his MAC games. He has been to six bowl games in 12 years.... actually six in 11 if you discount the COVID-19 season. Akron fans would take this in a second. 

[LZIp]

16 minutes ago, MangoZip said:

I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure that most programs say goodbye to players when they enter the portal, it’s common practice. It’s not a matter of being stubborn it’s just a reality. Can you imagine if you didn’t do that? Every kid could just enter the portal and see what they get and come back if they don’t find what they want. 

I don’t know, but I’m sure glad Groce brought back Ali Ali and Tavari Johnson.

[clarkwgriswold]

It all depends on whether the coach leaves the door open.  There's no hard and fast rule.

[kreed5120]

2 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said:

It all depends on whether the coach leaves the door open.  There's no hard and fast rule.

 

Yes, I don't see why we would have to deal in absolutes. When a player leaves you can leave the door open for them to possibly return, but at the same time make sure they're aware there is no guarantee their roster spot would be available if they want to return. 

 

Coaches would still have to look to fill openings, but if player A decides to want to return and you still have both an open scholarship and a need at that position why wouldn't you take them?

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[ZippyRulz]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

 

Yes, I don't see why we would have to deal in absolutes. When a player leaves you can leave the door open for them to possibly return, but at the same time make sure they're aware there is no guarantee their roster spot would be available if they want to return. 

 

Coaches would still have to look to fill openings, but if player A decides to want to return and you still have both an open scholarship and a need at that position why wouldn't you take them?

 

Answer: you would.

 

[Captain Kangaroo]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

Coaches would still have to look to fill openings, but if player A decides to want to return and you still have both an open scholarship and a need at that position why wouldn't you take them?

Sometimes you're happy when a player hits the portal. They did you a favor.

 

Sometimes a good player with delusions of grandeur exhibits a low level of grace upon their departure. You don't want that kind of player back.

 

Coaches are allowed to hold grudges when a player unceremoniously bolts for greener pastures. And the portal is filled with MAC-capable players. So if you leave, you accept the fact there could be a new kid in town that's assigned your jersey number the following week.

 

So like its been said...it all depends upon the situation. Maybe Summers gets his scholarship back next semester? He seems like a bit of a goofball, but overall he's producing. 

[clarkwgriswold]

I know of an area college coach who had a player come to him after the season and tell him he was considering entering the portal.  The coach apparently thought this was a ploy by the kid to get more love and be asked to stay.  He told the kid he'd recruited him once, wasn't planning to do it again and showed him the door.  LOL.

[kreed5120]

42 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

I know of an area college coach who had a player come to him after the season and tell him he was considering entering the portal.  The coach apparently thought this was a ploy by the kid to get more love and be asked to stay.  He told the kid he'd recruited him once, wasn't planning to do it again and showed him the door.  LOL.

 

The more talented you are the more people are willing to put up with. It's pretty much too across all levels of sports. If a player is All-MAC caliber a coach is going to give him a longer leash than if he's a second string depth piece.