Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted
6 hours ago, ZipsFan31 said:

Akron comes in at 94 in the Preseason Kenpom! Kent is 125 and Miami is 127 

IMG_9294.jpeg

Do you have a link?  Would be nice to see our opponents, e.g., Charleston.

Posted
8 hours ago, Z.I.P. said:

Do you have a link?  Would be nice to see our opponents, e.g., Charleston.

Kenpom.com

 

I personally wouldn't place too much stock in preseason ratings. Especially since we see so much roster turnover these days. 

  • Like 1
Posted
On 10/8/2025 at 4:39 PM, Let'sGoZips94 said:

. They have more money than anyone in the MAC, a better coach than anyone in the MAC not named John Groce and maybe Travis Steele, and the MAC is a significant step down from the A10 after the first few teams. 

Not sure I agree with the bolded part.  In ten years at South Carolina and three at UMass, he has zero NCAA tournament appearances outside the 2017 Final Four run, and he he's 26 games under .500 in league play in those 13 years.

My feeling is, he gets more hype than others because he's a Bobby Knight-esque tough guy (minus serious transgressions like choking players).  A lot of people love that type, a lot of people hate that type, and so the media is eager to cover him; he drives eyeballs.

Posted
1 hour ago, mrelegazna said:

Not sure I agree with the bolded part.  In ten years at South Carolina and three at UMass, he has zero NCAA tournament appearances outside the 2017 Final Four run, and he he's 26 games under .500 in league play in those 13 years.

My feeling is, he gets more hype than others because he's a Bobby Knight-esque tough guy (minus serious transgressions like choking players).  A lot of people love that type, a lot of people hate that type, and so the media is eager to cover him; he drives eyeballs.

 

Frank made the NCAAT 4 times in 5 seasons at K State, including an Elite 8 run in 2009-10. USC could've made the NCAAT in 2015-16, but ultimately peaked with a Final Four run in 2016-17. COVID-affected 2020-21 was his only losing season at USC after his first 2 years. He had winning records in 7 out of 10 seasons at USC. His UMass years haven't been the best, but that's a much larger reclamation project. UMass hasn't been anything special since the early 90s aside from a few sporadic years in the late 00s and early teens.

 

He gets hype for taking two lesser P5 programs to the Elite 8 and Final Four. Groce is the only other coach in the MAC with any sort of March success, so I will maintain that Frank Martin is at worst a top 3 coach in this league. 

Posted (edited)
58 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Frank made the NCAAT 4 times in 5 seasons at K State, including an Elite 8 run in 2009-10. USC could've made the NCAAT in 2015-16, but ultimately peaked with a Final Four run in 2016-17. COVID-affected 2020-21 was his only losing season at USC after his first 2 years. He had winning records in 7 out of 10 seasons at USC. His UMass years haven't been the best, but that's a much larger reclamation project. UMass hasn't been anything special since the early 90s aside from a few sporadic years in the late 00s and early teens.

 

He gets hype for taking two lesser P5 programs to the Elite 8 and Final Four. Groce is the only other coach in the MAC with any sort of March success, so I will maintain that Frank Martin is at worst a top 3 coach in this league. 

I would say Boals and Oats (Buffalo) are the only coaches with any NCAA/March success for the MAC in the last 10 years while Groce has not won a March/NCAA game since 2013 (Illinois). Such is life in the MAC. Martin likely slots in the top third of the league, going into his first MAC season with a clear chance to climb a notch or two higher, pending initial MAC success. 

 

Until a MAC coach starts winning NCAA Tournament games, or even having consistent NIT success, I say there is no real clear No. 1 .... although we do have our favorites. Toledo's MAC titles (regular season) and Akron's titles (MAC Tournament) are great 'MAC' achievements. Until the MAC gets another true powerhouse program that steps up in March ... we (MAC) are who they say we are.

Edited by RoyalBlu
Posted

Sorry, still confused??? Oats (2018, 2019) and Boals (2021) are the only MAC coaches to win NCAA Tournament games since Groce (2012). Heath was a decade even before that. Am I missing something?

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...