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[UAZipster0305]

9 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

If we look back at the last ~15 years the B1G really screwed up with realignment. At least from a competitive stand point. The SEC completely out gained them with the programs they plucked.

 

The only program added that consistently competes at a top level is Oregon. I will say at some point it's likely USC gets their crap together. As for Nebraska, Washington, UCLA, Maryland, and Rutgers they don't make the B1G better. In fact, UCLA, Rutgers, and Maryland have all made the B1G weaker competitively. Nebraska an Washington are probably middle B1G quality programs.

 

Save me the talk about how great Nebraska was in the 90s. Unless we get a time machine to wind the clocks back 30 years we won't see Nebraska have that level of success again in our life times. 

The B1G was focused on capturing the biggest schools in the largest media markets, not shopping for great programs in the middle of nowhere like the SEC mostly has. TV ratings in large markets drive the money of advertising dollars. Full stop.

 

https://www.collegenetworth.com/who-makes-more-money-sec-or-big-10/

 

https://apnews.com/article/big-ten-revenue-distribution-e7c083d8dc5603611bfc8f1ec3d7374e

 

As a result, if PSU were not already in the B1N 20+ years ago, Pitt may have been a more attractive current option for B1N expansion in Pennsylvania.

Edited Wednesday at 01:45 PM by UAZipster0305

[GP1]

1 hour ago, exit322 said:

 

Well sure, if Rutgers had money they would have...

Oh, I thought they did. 

[kreed5120]

27 minutes ago, UAZipster0305 said:

The B1G was focused on capturing the biggest schools in the largest media markets, not shopping for great programs in the middle of nowhere like the SEC mostly has. TV ratings in large markets drive the money of advertising dollars. Full stop.

 

https://www.collegenetworth.com/who-makes-more-money-sec-or-big-10/

 

https://apnews.com/article/big-ten-revenue-distribution-e7c083d8dc5603611bfc8f1ec3d7374e

 

As a result, if PSU were not already in the B1N 20+ years ago, Pitt may have been a more attractive current option for B1N expansion in Pennsylvania.

 

That was true with the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Nebraska isn't a major market nor has it ever been. They were brought in with the belief they would be a quality program that could compete with UM, OSU, and Penn State. In hindsight the B1G won't publicly admit it, but Nebraska probably doesn't get into the B1G today as there are other programs out there that are in bigger markets who are on par or better than Nebraska.

 

UCLA only got in the B1G because USC said it was the only way they would join. Oregon was a no brainer because they are a large market, have a history of success, and have NIKE funneling them NIL money. Washington got good at the right time and were a decent travel partner for Oregon. Not to mention decent market.

 

I don't see Pitt getting in over PSU in any situation. It doesn't really matter if Pitt plays in a major city. PSU is clearly the big brother in Pennsylvania. It's why it took Cincinnati so long to get into a P4 conference. Outside of their specific city the rest of the entire state is dominated by OSU. The same is true for Pitt.

Edited Wednesday at 02:11 PM by kreed5120

[akzipper]

21 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Not to mention both have been a thorn in the side of the Big Ten elite since joining. 

 

It's hilarious to me how much OSU fans complain about everything Oregon. They literally hated Dillion Gabriel up in Cleveland from day 1 and were booing him last season. All because he beat them once, got drafted instead Will Howard and swept all the Big Ten awards. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

6 minutes ago, akzipper said:

 

It's hilarious to me how much OSU fans complain about everything Oregon. They literally hated Dillion Gabriel up in Cleveland from day 1 and were booing him last season. All because he beat them once, got drafted instead Will Howard and swept all the Big Ten awards. 

 

Which is why I will still root for Michigan vs. Ohio State - the Suckeyes fan base is a miserable one and it's hilarious to see them deal with failure. 

[UAZipster0305]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

 

That was true with the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Nebraska isn't a major market nor has it ever been. They were brought in with the belief they would be a quality program that could compete with UM, OSU, and Penn State. In hindsight the B1G won't publicly admit it, but Nebraska probably doesn't get into the B1G today as there are other programs out there that are in bigger markets who are on par or better than Nebraska.

 

UCLA only got in the B1G because USC said it was the only way they would join. Oregon was a no brainer because they are a large market, have a history of success, and have NIKE funneling them NIL money. Washington got good at the right time and were a decent travel partner for Oregon. Not to mention decent market.

 

I don't see Pitt getting in over PSU in any situation. It doesn't really matter if Pitt plays in a major city. PSU is clearly the big brother in Pennsylvania. It's why it took Cincinnati so long to get into a P4 conference. Outside of their specific city the rest of the entire state is dominated by OSU. The same is true for Pitt.

Nebraska was added in 2011 as it was being kicked out of the AAU, making it the only Big Ten member to not also be an AAU member. It was very poor decision-making all around for the conference.

 

I think UCLA, Oregon, and Washington were must haves for the Big Ten because it gives the conference the entire west coast, except for the SF market (and Stanford and Cal are not big basketball or football schools).

 

Agree to disagree about the Pitt versus Penn State addition if it were to happen now.

[kreed5120]

21 minutes ago, akzipper said:

They literally hated Dillion Gabriel up in Cleveland from day 1 and were booing him last season.

 

That's not really a good argument. He was objectively a bad starting QB. All 32 fanbases would be booing him. Not like you're saying they were booing the next Tom Brady.

[exit322]

30 minutes ago, akzipper said:

 

It's hilarious to me how much OSU fans complain about everything Oregon. They literally hated Dillion Gabriel up in Cleveland from day 1 and were booing him last season. All because he beat them once, got drafted instead Will Howard and swept all the Big Ten awards. 

 

They hated Dillon Gabriel because they wanted Shedeur to start, not because Gabriel went to Oregon.

[exit322]

15 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

That's not really a good argument. He was objectively a bad starting QB. All 32 fanbases would be booing him. Not like you're saying they were booing the next Tom Brady.

 

And to be fair half of that was probably more fans booing Stefanski than Gabriel himself.