NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 8 We have ZERO control or impact on this, but as we lock down during this long cold week (and await the Zips trip to Millett Hall) might be a good time to discuss how a MAC tourney could or will play out. If COVID #s keep going down, vaccines ramp up, and the bottom 4 clearly remain the directional schools what will things look like in Cleveland. A note, on the women's side the PCCC women sit atop the conference but only played 5 games. BG is second and played 13 games. If Akron and Toledo sit atop the men's side, and have split their games maybe one game to decide it all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clarkwgriswold 2,372 Report post Posted February 8 With the likely differences in games played and teams played, I'd suggest that they poll the coaches and seed the top 8 from that poll. As a safeguard, you eliminate the highest and lowest seedings from the vote to take out some coaches playing games with the system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoyalZIP 213 Report post Posted February 8 I'm very curious to see what the MAC has in regards to tie-breaking procedures as I think it's both pretty obvious and not surprising that not all games will end up being played. With that said, those losses to EMU and NIU really mask how much better than the pack Akron and Toledo are. I know Kent isn't at full strength, but remember they were when Akron came back to beat them and that was with significantly fewer games under the belt and Trimble on an off shooting night, which is worth at least 10 points itself. I'm also glad that they Zips got that game at RMF in earlier this year. They're somewhat familiar to playing in an empty NBA arena which could be a slight advantage for things like creating energy and sight lines. I really don't know what to expect, I wouldn't even be surprised if at the last second the MAC decided to play the games at campus sights or something like that. Wait to see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoyalBlu 17 Report post Posted February 8 1 hour ago, LoyalZIP said: I'm very curious to see what the MAC has in regards to tie-breaking procedures as I think it's both pretty obvious and not surprising that not all games will end up being played. With that said, those losses to EMU and NIU really mask how much better than the pack Akron and Toledo are. I know Kent isn't at full strength, but remember they were when Akron came back to beat them and that was with significantly fewer games under the belt and Trimble on an off shooting night, which is worth at least 10 points itself. I'm also glad that they Zips got that game at RMF in earlier this year. They're somewhat familiar to playing in an empty NBA arena which could be a slight advantage for things like creating energy and sight lines. I really don't know what to expect, I wouldn't even be surprised if at the last second the MAC decided to play the games at campus sights or something like that. Wait to see. Since the Cavs are playing with (limited) people in the stands, would guess the MAC Tournament will have at least family and administrators in the stands. For argument sake, the seedings will be interesting, but in the grand scheme of things not that big of a deal. Just guessing, Miami and Ball State are tracking to be the last two teams. Akron and Toledo are at the top of the totem pole. Good (easy/winnable) games for both (discount BSU Saturday upset). Good thing for Akron, in terms of wildcard (semifinal) opponents who could pull upsets, they will likely play both Ohio and Buffalo twice. Toledo only plays them each once. Toledo's best MAC wins are Kent twice (at full strength) and Akron. Same for Akron. 2 UB and OU games for Akron are a plus in my mind. There has to be a ??? for Toledo about playing both of those teams in the tournament, especially OU a team they played and beat very early in the season but seems to be on the rise right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kreed5120 1,624 Report post Posted February 8 This was posted on a MAC sports thread. Apparently as of now the tournament is on, but seats will be limited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RowdyZip 206 Report post Posted February 8 Per the MAC site, looks like some folks will have a shot at tickets for the semifinals and finals. This will likely price tickets outside the range for most of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 8 Someone mentioned a few years back that there's a guy at the Verizon in Macedonia who will hook you up for tix? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clarkwgriswold 2,372 Report post Posted February 8 36 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Someone mentioned a few years back that there's a guy at the Verizon in Macedonia who will hook you up for tix? Fake news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 8 1 hour ago, RowdyZip said: Per the MAC site, looks like some folks will have a shot at tickets for the semifinals and finals. This will likely price tickets outside the range for most of us. those are good if you just want to see the game and don't care who is playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZippyRulz 492 Report post Posted February 9 (edited) I'll take whatever comes but I would be happy with a NIT final four. 7-seed: https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/ PCCC and Hocking Tech. Inst. also in as 8-seeds. Edited February 9 by ZippyRulz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 9 48 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said: I'll take whatever comes but I would be happy with a NIT final four. 7-seed: https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/ PCCC and Hocking Tech. Inst. also in as 8-seeds. Nelsonville Junior College. the NIT bracket seems strange. i can't imagine 3 MAC schools getting in/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kreed5120 1,624 Report post Posted February 9 10 hours ago, NWAkron said: Nelsonville Junior College. the NIT bracket seems strange. i can't imagine 3 MAC schools getting in/ That bracket has the 3 MAC schools as 7 & 8 seeds, which means really none of them would get in. The NIT gives auto bids to regular season conference winners who fail to win their conference tournament. There is usually 8-10 of those per year from 1 bid conferences. Those teams get the 7 & 8 seeds in the NIT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipmeister 370 Report post Posted February 9 22 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said: With the likely differences in games played and teams played, I'd suggest that they poll the coaches and seed the top 8 from that poll. As a safeguard, you eliminate the highest and lowest seedings from the vote to take out some coaches playing games with the system. That's kind of what they do in the Olympics to try to control those pesky Russians. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zippyfan34 268 Report post Posted February 12 I checked ticket prices for the championship game and they had tickets as low as $22 and a lot of $38 as well. I thought about jumping on the $22 for my family of 4 (which would be $88) but then there was almost $50 of fees on top of that (Total of $137). I am cheap so I will wait until I know for sure they are paying before I would purchase 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 17 MAC tourney article from GT. I think he could have left out the dig (even though true) against the Zips, but anyway. "This is why the Zips, who’ve not played their best basketball in their past two games, need to just take care of their business the rest of the way. It’s what has the potential to happen in slots four and five where Ohio and Buffalo both stand at 7-4 "What remains clear is the conference tournament will dictate who receives the MAC’s automatic qualifier for the NCAA Tournament. That organizing body issued a statement at the end of last week regarding tournament play. “Due to the challenges presented by the pandemic, conferences have until February 26 to submit their automatic qualifier form that details whether their AQ is based on the conference tournament or regular season champion. Conference championship format, field size and dates are under the auspices of the conferences,” according to a statement from the NCAA. “That was the plan all along. It was never a plan to not have a conference tournament,” Steinbrecher said of the MAC’s annual event which will take place in Cleveland at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse March 11-13. “And I think especially in a year where you think there’s a strong likelihood of an uneven number of games being played, I can’t think of a more fair way to test that AQ than having a tournament where everybody has that same chance.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LZIp 1,995 Report post Posted February 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, NWAkron said: MAC tourney article from GT. I think he could have left out the dig (even though true) against the Zips, but anyway. "This is why the Zips, who’ve not played their best basketball in their past two games, need to just take care of their business the rest of the way. It’s what has the potential to happen in slots four and five where Ohio and Buffalo both stand at 7-4 I haven't read the article, but what was his point here? Honestly I see no real difference between Miami and Ball St in the 7 or 8 seed, nor do I see much difference in BG, Owho, Canada, and Rootstown CC in the 3-6 seeds, and at this point, I'd bet against any of those scenarios changing. Edited February 17 by LZIp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoyalBlu 17 Report post Posted February 19 On 2/17/2021 at 6:16 PM, LZIp said: I haven't read the article, but what was his point here? Honestly I see no real difference between Miami and Ball St in the 7 or 8 seed, nor do I see much difference in BG, Owho, Canada, and Rootstown CC in the 3-6 seeds, and at this point, I'd bet against any of those scenarios changing. Here is what I don't understand: By current head-to-head and overall MAC measures to date, Akron and Toledo are clearly the top two teams. Perhaps not significant, but clear. Yet all the top metrics have Toledo as a clear No. 1 team in the league and Akron trailing teams they have beaten. Kenpom NET RPI 64 Toledo 71 Toledo 60 Toledo 85 Buffalo 84 Kent 72 Kent 91 Kent 85 Buffalo 97 Akron 99 Akron 90 Akron 120 Ohio 104 Ohio 109 Ohio 138 Bowling Green (169 Buffalo) Looking at this, the MAC Tournament belongs to Toledo with all others as solid underdogs. I suspect the Zips (and all the rest) would take those odds just the same. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LZIp 1,995 Report post Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, RoyalBlu said: Here is what I don't understand: By current head-to-head and overall MAC measures to date, Akron and Toledo are clearly the top two teams. Perhaps not significant, but clear. Yet all the top metrics have Toledo as a clear No. 1 team in the league and Akron trailing teams they have beaten. Kenpom NET RPI 64 Toledo 71 Toledo 60 Toledo 85 Buffalo 84 Kent 72 Kent 91 Kent 85 Buffalo 97 Akron 99 Akron 90 Akron 120 Ohio 104 Ohio 109 Ohio 138 Bowling Green (169 Buffalo) Looking at this, the MAC Tournament belongs to Toledo with all others as solid underdogs. I suspect the Zips (and all the rest) would take those odds just the same. They must really hold those two losses to EMU and NIU against us. Context is important. Outside of those two games, we're clearly a top 2 MAC team IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted February 19 3 hours ago, LZIp said: They must really hold those two losses to EMU and NIU against us. Context is important. Outside of those two games, we're clearly a top 2 MAC team IMO. Canada is slightly favored over Toledo tomorrow night. PCCC didn't have "bad" losses per se. But, yeah, losing to 1 and 2 win teams isn't going to spin out of the computer well as opposed to PCCCs losses to UVA, Akron, and Toledo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWAkron 1,184 Report post Posted 7 hours ago https://getsomemaction.com/news/2021/2/23/mens-basketball-seeding-aq-policy.aspx MAC tourney rules. Clear as mud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites