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Are you really trying to argue settling for a field goal on 4th and goal from the 3 yard line when you're down 11 late in the 4th quarter? Even after kicking the field goal you're still down 8 so you would need to convert a 2-point conversion from the same distance that you settled for a field goal on. The difference is a touchdown gives you 6-8 points while a 2-point conversion only gives 2. It's logical to take the risk when the return is greater since no matter what you will have 1 play from the 3-yard line with the game on the line in both scenarios. That was the one particular call that I found egregious. I don't mind taking the field goals earlier in the game, but near the end of the game we absolutely should have went for it on 4th and goal.

Then we'd lose, just like we did anyway.

Penn State-Shennanigans plays Kent the Saturday after Thanksgiving too.

Update #3! Buffalo and Toledo were the biggest risers. Some fallers including JMU but teams like Murray St fell due to P4 losses. It’s that time of year for those but they’ll go back up. Zips go down to 77 for just existing as I like to call it

What if they didn't make it? Chuck Martin at Miami plays not to lose. He is a football version of Charlie Coles. His record at Miami is two games under .500. He has won over 60% of his MAC games. He has been to bowl games around 7 is his 10 season at Miami. This is what winning in the MAC looks like. Playing not to lose in the MAC is a winning strategy because so many of the teams are just dying to lose. You can't make losers feel like they can win, or they will sneak up on you. That's what happened to Akron.

As Blue & Gold stated, there wasn't a whole lot that could be taken away because of the size and talent disparity, but they both looked okay. Brisco is definitely a big body but I wonder if he can get up and down the court in the way that this offense demands of its big men. Barre appears to have the ability to get up and down, and I understand that is why he was brought in, however, the results have yet to be seen.

Yesterday was NLI day but apparently Ben Davis HS is having their ceremony on 11/20.

The Zips are certainly testing themselves with a challenging OOC scheduled to start the season, but there's challenging and suicidal. Oakland also started with Purdue (when they were #1) and Michigan (#6) and Houston (new #1).

Found this scouting report on Jashawn Ladd. It's from last summer. "The best player on the best team in the 3 Stripes Gold circuit is no doubt Jashawn Ladd from Ben Davis high school in Indiana. Ladd is a long wing that has a nasty crossover, good Jumpshot, and explosive first move to the hole. He often beats guys with his second move, finishing outside the frame of the backboard with great touch. His athleticism is extremely difficult to stay in front of, and his ability to play above the rim made him a fun watch. It was no surprise that Ladd already has a D1 offer from Miami (OH) and will no doubt collect more as his team finished 8-0 in the circuit, qualifying for the 3SSB finals in July. Ladd was a strong piece to an excellent team, who played the right way and coasted through Adidas Gold like it was nothing."

So the two events were not that dissimilar.

Beacon has an article this morning https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/soccer/2025/11/13/big-east-tournament-mens-soccer-georgetown-uconn-providence-akron/87238231007/

There were no takeaways from the game last night. PSU-S was terribly undersized. They had 3 nice, smallish, guards but that's it. Their best player, #0, was only 5'8" but could shoot the lights out. He was a chucker for sure.

One has to think that with the limited playing time through 3 games these 2 big guys will have little impact on the Purdue game. Or is that what Groce wants Matt Painter to think. Hmmm. 🧐🥸🤫

Regarding Durham — PFF graded him as the best defender on the field against Kent State, giving him a mark above 80. I thought he played fairly well too, even though the stat sheet doesn’t show much. I’d disagree with PFF — as I often do — about the rating being that high, but compared to his other performances, I think it was one of his better games. Players don’t always need stats to be disruptive, and even those who haven’t played at a consistently high level can have a solid outing every now and then. Take it for what it’s worth, but a few opposing coaches have mentioned him in pregame pressers as someone they needed to account for. I do think he has the potential to develop into a much better player, but I also agree he hasn’t given us as much as we’ve needed this year — nor have our backup linemen, so the options have been limited. The potential is there; whether he reaches it remains to be seen. I’m not trying to turn this or any thread into something about one player — just clarifying the comment.

I thought the exact same thing the second I saw that. I had to look twice to make sure I read it properly!

It's looking like a Zips win on Thursday may wrap up a top 16 seed. And as TennZip said, a tournament win will almost assuredly guarantee a top 8 seed. Keep it going, Zips!

Did we learn anything about Brisco or Barre?

Tough night for the women's team...

James Madison has quite a bit of talent with no chemistry yet. They'll be fine, and when they are fine, we won't have to play them.

I would argue that each time they settled for a 3 point attempt instead of pushing for 7, it gave Kent momentum, not us. The first drive - where we pushed down the field at will and then settled - set the tone for the entire game.

I think I made the right choice attending the Midget Mania Wrestling event at the Barley House tonight.

It might still be a little too early to say definitively. They have a lot of new bodies this year. It will likely take them most of OOC to find themselves. I certainly know last year we struggled in OOC play for similar reasons.

Last post of the evening for me....... St. Louis advances to A-10 final with a 1-0 win over Davidson. not an action filled contest.......St. Louis had 3 shots on goal and Davidson had only 1 As a result of the win, St. Louis moves up from 27 RPI to 23 RPI St. Louis is now 10-2-6 and they will play Dayton (8-2-7 record) in the A10 final as of 10:30 tonight, Dayton RPI is #98 with 4 of the 5 zip opponents.....advancing to their conference finals tonight, the ZIPS moved up 1 spot in RPI the Mighty Zips are now #8 in RPI Indiana was #8 before tonight. at 10:30 tonight, Indiana is #9 in RPI Indiana's regular season is done as they went 5-5 in the Big Ten and did not qualify for their conference tournament. Indiana in the Big Ten lost to 5-8-3 Michigan State. When they did not play Indiana, Michigan State had a record of 1-5-3 in the Big Ten. Michigan State is currently 89 in RPI. Indiana also lost to Northwestern. When they were not playing Indiana, Northwestern had a record of 2-5-2 in the Big Ten. as I have said before....if Georgetown or Akron win the Big East tournament, the Big East tournament winner must get a top 8 seed. the NCAA committee always seeds IU higher than their RPI.....but a mediocre team in the Big Ten does not deserve a top 10 seed in the NCAA

absolutely love that Dublin Jerome......used the A-Roo logo in the announcement the BEST Zip Logo, ever !!!!

Akron and Kent used up all the MACtion this year.