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Another tweet that sort of sours me towards Lane. Scouts evaluate everything. Can't imagine immaturity is an attractive trait.

I believe Canton's paper's whole front page was dedicated to the class. I did not know Taylor played at UA until I myself began attending there. Maybe it will help get their attention, and thats a good thing since it is so close. I don't see much effect though. But I guess any publicity is good publicity, especially when its just 15 minutes South and a pretty big deal.

To add...I wonder what (if any) relationship the program has with him and how said relationship is leveraged. I would imagine walking into a South FL recruit's home with an NFL Hall of Famer from Akron and Miami Dolphin legend is a quick way to get their attention. Then again...kids graduating high school now probably don't remember seeing him play.

Playing UAPB's, Hiram's, and Coppin State's of the world certainly helps too. All they need to really get up for is ~3 games a year. OU, Kent, and whatever Marshall-esque type they bring in in OOC.

Do we think the refs are somehow out to get the Zips or the refs are just equally bad, both ways, all across college basketball? Honestly there seem to be very few games where he isn't in foul trouble. Also need to consider that it is a high probability that teams specifically game plan to try to get him into foul trouble and out of the game. They see the same things we do.

Oh well. I'm more bummed about loss of the streak/AP votes than anything. On to Ball State. Good teams learn and improve from these types of losses.

Its hard for me to give my opinion on the refs as I am only listening, but I can tell why people who listen to 1350 think the refs give us screw jobs.

Big Dog battling back spasms per KD on 1350.

This is indeed the fact, unfortunately.

Agree...I don't know I am still holding out some blind hope though that at least 1 of them will be here. All 3 transferring here, sitting out a year, and then deciding to either quit football or transfer and sit out again (i believe) seems unlikely. Even more so when you consider the fact that there is plenty of opportunity at the position and a pretty good QB should be throwing to them. The defense should be quite improved/healthy again which will help and I think people are sleeping on the RB situation as well. Ball is the real deal, in MAC play at worst. He gained 70 on Wisconsin in a half. Even if he gets hurt there is now another P5 guy who has shown promise behind him as well. i don't have any real expectations because there are a lot of newcomers, but I'm not pessimistic, just have a wait and see attitude I guess.

I thought about trying to come up with a list as well, but its just too hard to know what he is talking about. Does he count walk ons? Is he counting players who were here last year, but not eligible? I also do not see the DB transfer from WV listed. Same for Bryce Dixon or Thad Snodgrass, but nobody seems to know about them on here.

Not claiming to be correct as rules are changing all the time, but I believe that is an intentional foul. Meaning 2 FTs plus the ball back.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. True freshman with instant eligibility. He instantly becomes the highest rated prospect in our class, but it won't show up in any of the recruiting rankings that people look back on as they are already set. I wouldn't mind a few other guys that fell through the cracks. http://247sports.com/Player/Andre-Williams-57233

sOUnds abOUt right. Seems like we have been a second half team most of the year.

I've only seen mention of white players...and Stainbrook is a real name!!

Is that the official listing? I don't recall the infamous Blake Dennis being listed lol. I do agree that that is another bad list (even though some of those guys are also included in Keener's 2015 listing). I also think we can all agree that its hard to track this stuff or classify what class certain players are in due to the many blue/grey shirts and transfers. It seems there was a decent class in 2013 (MTB, Woody, Lane..maybe others I can't think of?) and then I like the quality of this class as well as 2015s., but a drop off in high school players in between.

What did I vote?! My guess is wait and see.

Shoot. That's what I get for going to happy hour. I agree...outside of Boxen and Gilbert....and I guess Edwards if you want to include him in that group, we are not getting anything out of that class AT ALL. Monroe was a good 5th year senior. Bryce did okay...but another 1 year guy. Ray Ray was supposed to be pretty solid, but I don't think he ever qualified. Odd that we included him then, but left out a few guys this year who may not be qualifiers. I agree that that class overall was quite bad. Maybe partially explains why this year's class only included 13 high schoolers but will have 29 newcomers per Coach Bowden. Need to supplement one way or another.

Sure :). Though to be honest I don't recall a lot of them....Off of the top of my head....Featherstone and Davis came in right away and played good. I think Jest should be added to that as well. Playing a DL as a true freshman is a tall task and he has some upside. I rank him as our 3rd best DL last season outside of Marcus and Boxen. Hopefully he has hit the weight room. DeMarkus Glover's film reminded me of Jatavis Brown's a lot as I said in a previous thread. I think he was a non qualifer last year. Believe we brought in a few O lineman to help replace all 5 starters after the Potato Bowl, and Kato seemed like the "crown jewel" of the class, but we obviously did not see him as coach said yesterday he did not want to burn the redshirt at the end of the season.

Another East boy. I've heard good thing about the Brimage kid. Hopefully we can keep him since we were one of the first offers and his older brother will be here.

How many player did the national champions Clemson sign?

Even though it is a small signing day class, I think I feel that this class might be the highest overall quality yet*. With that said, I am not sure I see any outside of Johns not red shirting. i think we are set at a lot of those positions. My guess is that a player that was not announced yet makes the biggest contribution as long as they get through the clearing house, since I see it as a position of weakness. That is either Sampson or Matthew Hanson from FL assuming they qualify. Picking the kid from St. A is not a bad pick either...as we saw what Alvin Davis did as a true freshman. *For everybody who like to contribute nothing but bitching to the board, I do still think there is more improvement needed.

I would guess Marcus is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery that he probably should have gotten in season. I do not believe he participated in any senior all-star games and he was certainly good enough.

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That's very classless. I wonder why their fan base has changed so much in attitude since the first meeting.