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Mayborg has always hated the Zips. The fact that he's watching the women's game would have nothing to do with whether he's in concussion protocol.

Read the posts. It wasn't about more money for himself.

Helmets required. And give them each a couple of ramps to go over.

This is indeed correct. I have stated it previously. People should at least be able to put 2 and 2 together on the first part, knowing that he had turned down other lucrative offers, and had already turned down Duquesne on multiple occasions.

Unbelievable, but expected.

Terry Bowden driving a midget car around the field while he's coaching maybe? I think we need to try anything at this point.

I think it's fair to evaluate coaches based on what they are doing with their current talent. Instead of just giving them a pass because they have a "young team", etc. I think we should all expect them to show what they can make out of what they have. I think it's also fair to include what we are seeing at Duquesne right now as part of the discussion. I doubt that they are dwelling so much on what they don't have. On the other hand, we don't stop talking about it.

No doubt. The problem is that these things can easy happen when you're losing repeatedly. The "why the hell am I doing all of this if we're getting our a$$es handed to us" starts creeping into your head. It takes a cohesive effort by the players and coaching staff to keep going. For the players, you have to be able to see that there is some reward for the effort. Even if it''s way down the line. For the coaches, they need to do their part to convince the guys that we'll someday get to those rewards. We'll see how this unfolds. In the first half, we tried way too hard to work for "good shots", and there were none to be had. In the 2nd half, some guys decided they'd had enough, and began to take the punishment in the paint to produce some points for us. I think that's what was different.

I was never Zeke's greatest fan, but lets be real here. Zeke was nearly to 1,000 points by the end of his Jr. year, and had already surpassed 500 rebounds. Maybe you consider that "underwhelming". That's your opinion. But, to even remotely hope that this guy might follow a similar path is crazy. What we saw from Zeke as a freshman is light years different than what you're seeing with Kostelac. The fact that he plays only a few minutes per game to give a "Center" of Poke's quality a breather is very telling. That should tell you everything about what the coaches see right now too. And remember, he's also had one year of post high school development. This isn't the first post I've seen that appears to be hoping for Kostelac's development to save Akron basketball. And again, I will respond by saying that we better hope that other big men are on the horizon for us that have far greater ability.

Oddly enough, it was the smallest guy on the floor. I'll go with 1,000

I can at least tell you that very few people will be there to witness it, one way or another. Tonight, noticeably, the fans are showing signs of giving up too. As far as the players are concerned, Cotton showed me some balls and desire tonight. If that's someone who still wants to display some guts and go all out, and isn't going to spend the night continually throwing up his arms in frustration, then please give him 30 min. at the point on Saturday. That guy earned my respect. We have nothing to lose. Unfortunately, it seems we've already reached the point where we need to find out who wants to try to save a sinking ship.

For me, it's just sad to see the distance between Akron and the upper tier of the MAC grow so large in just one year. The even sadder part is that I felt that Buffalo could have probably held us to under 20 points tonight, if they wanted to do so. When they were really locked in, there were no shots, no passing lanes, and no uncontested dribbles. To watch us look like that against another MAC team was a nightmare.

Sure, I can see that some of the details of their OOC schedule were not impressive. But you have to see this within the context of how awful this team was before he arrived. I'm definitely not expecting some fantastic run of victories to follow that 2-0 start. They will probably struggle yet this year. But, maybe they will surprise me again. EDIT: Make that 3-0, with another blowout win last night. Wow.

I think that's the first time I've ever heard someone refer to a loss as a "tune up game" for the next opponent.

Then lets just talk about the recruits who came to OU right after their first NCAA Tournament "run" in 2010, since that covers the Groce era. That experienced NCAA tournament group, along with their new recruits, did't even make it past the Quarterfinals in the MAC the following year, while Akron went all the way to the Title Game, and won. In addition, when that core group of OU stars were Seniors, they got absolutely spanked by the Zips in the title game, playing without a point guard. I'm addressing one thing here. Your flawed assertion that winning in an NCAA tournament game is the overwhelming difference-maker in recruiting.

You have to ask yourself, "Did these accomplishments catapult OU over Akron in the years that followed their two NCAA tournament appearances and wins?" Nope. I think you'd clearly win the argument if you said that Akron was on top after this "OU run" period, and thus was probably attracting the better players, despite our "empty 21 win seasons".

Thanks. I appreciate your thoughts as well. And I agree with you on that last sentence.

I actually agree with you. I'm not sure why you might be including me in the "NCAA tournament...and nothing else matters" crowd. I think I spelled that out pretty well. I think you might be the first person here who's accused me of slighting Keith's accomplishments. I've been at games since the early 80's as a student. So, I know what you're saying. I think that makes me more inclined to value what Keith did, and it seems that you agree. Also, let me add that a college basketball team does not have to wait for an occasional NCAA game to record valued wins.

I get it. I get this too. What I think really bothers me the most is the number of people who seem like they don't care how many games we win. The problem with that philosophy is that you're far more likely to be a team that can have success in the MAC tournament, and the NCAA tournament if you are a team that has won a lot of games. I want to win basketball games again, and become a good team. When that happens, maybe I can start thinking about getting to a MAC tourney final again, with a chance to get to the Big Dance.

I'm not surprised that they are seeing some of what we saw for 13 years. They held Dayton to 62 and GW to 52.

They've now exceeded 10 wins last night by knocking off GW to go 2-0 in conference play, and 11-4 overall. I'm sure everyone (even those who are so vehemently bashing Keith) expected some instant improvement. But, none of us probably expected the A-10 standings to look like this in January, especially when the real reinforcements are not coming in until next year. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/standings/_/id/3/atlantic-10-conference

You missed this one too.

Heck, I was just thinking that maybe Campbells would sponsor Zips Nation. But, kudos for thinking Much Bigger !!!

I know the situation, and I believe he would have stayed.

In honor of ZipsVoice......I would like to nominate Tuna Fish Sandwich and Condensed Tomato Soup as the Official Lunch of Zipsnation Members. Maybe we can now pick up Campbells as a corporate sponsor?