Dave in Green Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I know the point guard is the quarterback of a basketball team. But this isn't a Browns forum, so we don't need a quarterback controversy. Noah did a great job running the team before his injury and Antino has performed extraordinarily well as his replacement. The Zips are incredibly fortunate to have two great young PGs and another one coming in next season. How they divide up the playing time will be played out next season. Right now there's no controversy at all. Antino is the only one we have going into the MAC tournament, so he's the man right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sade281 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Great point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Noah and Antino are completely different players. Both are worthy of starting. However, Noah will be the starter...I can tell you that with certainty. But I think the two playing against each other in practice will be a wonderful, wonderful thing.With the addition of Josh Williams next year, we're going to have a TON of talent at the guard position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Bottom Line: It was a timely night to hit 48% of our 3-pointers. We absolutely needed it to keep pace, and it resulted in a 48 pt. 2nd half. It's just too bad it didn't result in a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Went to the game and just like last year, great game, great atmosphere, bad result. KD indicated postgame that Reggie was suppose to double team the ball and it didn't happen on the last shot. Antino made a freshman result and kept backing up and gave him the lane.I thought we played great. Kwan played his best game of the season. I really believe these guys play better knowing that KD is not going to pull them if they make a mistake. Big Dog started weak but since he was the only true center he kept getting stronger as the game progressed. Antino is a gamer and made great pressure shots. Kretzer played great defense. We finally shot the ball well! It looked like the Can't player took an extra step on the last shot but I have not seen the replay.It sucks losing to Can't but if we play this well we may be able to win a couple of games and get to 20 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Noah is an absolutely solid PG. He can do it all.The thing we have recently found out about Tino is that he is a PLAYER.But, maybe some of you guys don't speak New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Well, we all feel pretty crappy right now because we just lost to the one team in the world we hate losing to more than any other. But we did beat them at our place so at least it was a split for the season. The cards were really stacked against the Zips tonight, and they came a lot closer to winning than most expected. The guts and heart our 8 remaining healthy scholarship players showed tonight was just awesome and made me more proud of this team than ever.With about 6 minutes left Can't was on a run that appeared might put the game away and it appeared that the Zips were wearing out and ready to fold. But they had a burst of adrenaline and gave their all right up to the final buzzer. Sure, they made some mistakes that may have lost the game. But if we focus on that we miss the point that they made enough good moves to be in it up to the end against a good team playing at full strength on their home court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just saw the replay of the last shot on ESPN 3. I slowed it down and Brewer picks up his dribble 1 foot behind the 3 line, jumps into the lane and then take one step to the basket. I know that bad calls are part of the game but when you slow it down he actually takes 5 steps to the basket after he picks up his dribble. The refs swallowed their whistle. I wasn't sure if it was a travel because it was so fast but when you slow it down it is obvious. It still was a nice play by Can't and a mistake not to stop him before he got near the lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 The refs are not going to make that call on their home floor and I wouldn't want them to make that call deciding the game.If the game was played in the JAR they still wouldn't make that call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just step-framed through the ESPN3 video and was just about to post the same thing about Brewer picking up his dribble outside the 3-point line and taking extra steps before his shot. Of course the refs should have called it. It was absolutely an egregious travel. Fundamental rules of the game are not suspended in the last second of a basketball game. This was not a close call that might have been called either way where the officials might be expected to swallow their whistles. It was absolutely clear-cut.In retrospect, Kwan did exactly the right thing. He watched Brewer travel and didn't risk trying for a block, because a shooting foul at that point would have given Brewer 2 chances to make a single free throw to win the game. Kwan immediately and correctly made the travel motion with his hands that the refs should have made. The officials blew it big time, and the video clearly proves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I disagree. You don't rely on the refs to decide games YOU PLAY DEFENSE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Logged on to read some talk about the game and got an entire page of crowd and acoustics analysis. Some of you guys are more worried about what's going on off the court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 No matter how you want to spin it, Kwan ABSOLUTELY did not do the right thing. If you think you see a travel, you don't quit playing and hope the ref blows the whistle. The "risk" of being called for a shooting foul is irrelevant if a travel was called. Travel would have been before the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 and most of us didnt notice a travel in real time, but we expect the refs to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I just step-framed through the ESPN3 video and was just about to post the same thing about Brewer picking up his dribble outside the 3-point line and taking extra steps before his shot. Of course the refs should have called it. It was absolutely an egregious travel. Fundamental rules of the game are not suspended in the last second of a basketball game. This was not a close call that might have been called either way where the officials might be expected to swallow their whistles. It was absolutely clear-cut.In retrospect, Kwan did exactly the right thing. He watched Brewer travel and didn't risk trying for a block, because a shooting foul at that point would have given Brewer 2 chances to make a single free throw to win the game. Kwan immediately and correctly made the travel motion with his hands that the refs should have made. The officials blew it big time, and the video clearly proves it.Kwan stood there and watched. He didn't have time to dish to the guy Kwan was sealing, Kwan needs to step up and help out. You also realize if Kwan steps up and fouls, that's AFTER the travel, which they didn't call, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewbrooman1 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 and most of us didnt notice a travel in real time, but we expect the refs to?Well, that is what they get paid to do. All three of them are Big Ten refs, too. I only count three steps after the last dribble, but I believe that is still one too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Sad to see the some Zips fans begging for the referees to bail them out.Kretzer allowed the guy to have an open lane to the hoop. 6 foot, 9 inch Kwan backed off and let him have an uncontested layup at the buzzer.39 minutes and 58 seconds of an awesome team effort was pissed away in the final 2 seconds. That's the facts. Own it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Be careful Captain Kangaroo...you might get "blocked". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Logged on to read some talk about the game and got an entire page of crowd and acoustics analysis. Some of you guys are more worried about what's going on off the courtNot one mention of the horrible lighting, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Be careful Captain Kangaroo...you might get "blocxked".He probably won't send immature PMs though ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Regarding the Final Play:1) First Mistake: With 5 second left, which is enough time for someone to easily run the court, you simply just need to stop the dribbler....earlier...and make him pass the ball. A long jumper would have and should have been Can't's only option, IF time didn't run out.2) Yes, Kwan should have challenged the shot, regardless of whether he thought it was a travel, but ABSOLUTELY could not foul him.3) It reminded me of the final play in the 2011 MAC Title Game. The only difference? Zeke was there at the end to block the shot. 4) The officials wouldn't have "decided the game" by calling the travel. It was a tie game. The right call should have been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Good game, thanks to 21 and 55 bailing us out on nine three pointers. I saw some good things last night. When Antino learns how to take advantage of his talents, he will be a solid future contributor for this team. He has nice potential, but is raw right now. I hope he progresses each year.I think for the first time I saw 23's potential. He put in a good night in a big game. He needs to take conditioning VERY serious in the off season. Go work out with the football players. Study nutrition. Put someone with him 16 hours a day if you can. I'm not close enough to the situation to know exactly what it calls for, but the potential is there for him to be special in the MAC, but he has a LOT of work to do. Whatever the staff is trying right now, change it, it can be worth it. Whatever the "pro's" are to 23 guarding beyond the three point line, I believe the "cons" outweigh the effort. Once he figures out conditioning, he will need to work on defense along with his offensive progression. The Zips are not as good as they think they are on defense. We still miss the fundamental of moving our feet and getting in position. We are consistantly out of position with the lower body. Whatever is happening in practice on defense, I wish we would take an entire new philosophy into the offseason. What is taught in practice is resulting in the same thing year after year, fouls. If I played KD, my last play would always be to drive right into the teeth of the Zips defense, they will either be late, or foul you. I like those options as a competitor. As many here have wrote, the students showed a nice atmosphere on tv. Is a game at Ken+ the only time you have to go into your tv's menu and adjust the color? That yellow is worse than the Browns orange. What is with the announcer calling KD, DUMB-brat? Of all the names to mispronounce, you pick the one that has been on the team for a decade? I laughed in the beginning of the game when he said Peters with the drive, Peters with the three, foul by Peters. Reminded me of Bugs Bunny. Dude made some good points throughout the game, but seriously, did he even look at any piece of paper before rolling into Portage county? I loved coach Peters name on the jerseys, nice touch. I would have had the Zips get back on defense to get set on the last play, but I'm pretty sure I know what would have happened. I don't have a big issue with what they did. In both situations, you still have to execute, and they could have made a stop given both scenarios. Eight man rotation looked nice. A few seemed to get in a nice flow. One possession from pulling off a pretty big upset.Jackson in the first half, Brewer in the second half. EA of the PD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I laughed in the beginning of the game when he said Peters with the drive, Peters with the three, foul by Peters. Dude made some good points throughout the game, but seriously, did he even look at any piece of paper before rolling into Portage county? I loved coach Peters name on the jerseys, nice touch. Does anyone remember either of the announcers ever mentioning the REASON why we were wearing those? They HAD to wonder what was going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 any reason dambrot was barking at antino with a 1:29 left after antino hit the three? good coaching?also...first time i've seen a player go from the 3 point line to the basket in two (ahem) steps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Understood. But I look at stats which matters the most I realize that sense Tino been starting the post and our shooters are getting the ball!Stats are not the most important thing. Stats paint part of the picture, but they don't tell you everything about a player. What is the zips record since Noah has been out and Antino has been starting? To me, wins matter more than stats.Don't get me wrong, I love Antino. I think he is a hell of a player, especially for a freshman. However, Noah is more of a complete player, more cerebral and a better floor General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.