NWAkron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 BGs Derek Koch grew up about 2 miles from my family homestead in Wayne County. But I still got pleasure in watching Utomi school him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 10 hours ago, 1981 grad said: We cannot complain about the refs this week as there was clearly an Akron foul on the last offensive rebound. Eventually, everything evens out. I watched that several more times. Doesn't it appear that he was trying to commit a hard foul to prevent the easy put-back? Amazing that an entire group of "qualified" MAC officials all held their whistles on that. Then, after he did it, Ivey flexed for the crowd. LOL You're right. Bad officiating can go your way too. We all have to remember that when we complain about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 What one very specific thing do BJ Gladden, Nick Harney, and Jimond Ivey all have in common? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Pouch Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I watched that several more times. Doesn't it appear that he was trying to commit a hard foul to prevent the easy put-back? Amazing that an entire group of "qualified" MAC officials all held their whistles on that. Then, after he did it, Ivey flexed for the crowd. LOL You're right. Bad officiating can go your way too. We all have to remember that when we complain about it. Last time the Zips won at home, you found a way to complained about the attendance in the thread rather than giving the team any credit and discussing the game. This time, you claim a Zips player was purposely "trying" to commit a hard foul with less than 5 seconds and the MAC officials shouldn't have swallowed their whistles. I think Ivey was just going for the block, I definitely didn't see an aggressive intentional foul approach ...... No matter which side you're on, you shouldn't expect that call at that point in the game especially on a putback - the block up top was pretty clean but there was definitely body contact after the block. I'm pretty sure there was a lot of rebound contact/ positioning while that shot was in the air by both teams. That was not bad officiating, they did (unlike the 1st UA/ Ball State game) what they're supposed to do at the end of a game - not decide the game on anything questionable. Everyone knows that. On a side note - Come on man, that was a good solid road win for such a depleted team - 2 non-scholarship players almost played a combined full game with 37 minutes. Please get over your coach issues and move on. It's so early in the Groce tenure and started with such a short deck even before the injuries. As a long time member of this board and going way back to the old blue board, I don't remember any supposed "zip" posters having this much of a passive-aggressive agenda from day 1 with a team over a coaching change. It really kills the board. I'm not big on calling people out but you're just non stop biased nonsense with this team and some of its players. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetg10 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: I watched that several more times. Doesn't it appear that he was trying to commit a hard foul to prevent the easy put-back? Amazing that an entire group of "qualified" MAC officials all held their whistles on that. Then, after he did it, Ivey flexed for the crowd. LOL You're right. Bad officiating can go your way too. We all have to remember that when we complain about it. I was on the BG fan site and one fan mentioned that it looked like Ivey made no contact and Wiggins tripped over his own feet. And Ivey clearly was going for the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, NWAkron said: What one very specific thing do BJ Gladden, Nick Harney, and Jimond Ivey all have in common? All made late shots to beat BG on the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, skip-zip said: All made late shots to beat BG on the road? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Z-Pouch said: No matter which side you're on, you shouldn't expect that call at that point in the game Correct. No foul with a few seconds left in the game should ever be expected. Edited February 21, 2018 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Z-Pouch said: I don't remember any supposed "zip" posters having this much of a passive-aggressive agenda from day 1 with a team over a coaching change. It really kills the board. I'm not big on calling people out but you're just non stop biased nonsense with this team and some of its players. Thanks for the Psychoanalysis As a few of us mentioned yesterday, we're in last place. Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm. And mark me down as one of the millions of sports fans who criticize players on their own team. Just in case you haven't followed the "you're negative" reaction to other critical posts I've made over the years, I did it long before Groce was ever here, and it will surely continue long after he's gone. Edited February 21, 2018 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tboned Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Nice win guys!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, skip-zip said: Thanks for the Psychoanalysis As a few of us mentioned yesterday, we're in last place. Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm. And mark me down as one of the millions of sports fans who criticize players on their own team. Just in case you haven't followed the "you're negative" reaction to other critical posts I've made over the years, I did it long before Groce was ever here, and it will surely continue long after he's gone. I can confirm that Skip is an equal opportunity griper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, skip-zip said: I did it long before Groce was ever here, and it will surely continue long after he's gone. Lucky us... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: I can confirm that Skip is an equal opportunity griper. Gripe? How about we just call it Retrospective Critique? Sounds more sophisticated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Z-Pouch said: This time, you claim a Zips player was purposely "trying" to commit a hard foul with less than 5 seconds Because if you have a one or two point lead with a few seconds left, and your opponent is going to get an easy game-tying lay in, you BETTER be trying to make sure there's no way he's going to make that basket. So, when I agreed with the other poster who said it was a foul, why did you assume that I thought that was a bad thing? I even stated that I found it amusing that he flexed to the crowd after the play ended, and no foul was called. Edited February 21, 2018 by skip-zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Akron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, skip-zip said: Thanks for the Psychoanalysis As a few of us mentioned yesterday, we're in last place. Sorry for the lack of enthusiasm. And mark me down as one of the millions of sports fans who criticize players on their own team. Just in case you haven't followed the "you're negative" reaction to other critical posts I've made over the years, I did it long before Groce was ever here, and it will surely continue long after he's gone. P.S. GET OFF MY LAWN 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, skip-zip said: All made late shots to beat BG on the road? 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: Because if you have a one or two point lead with a few seconds left, and your opponent is going to get an easy game-tying lay in, you BETTER be trying to make sure there's no way he's going to make that basket. So, when I agreed with the other poster who said it was a foul, why did you assume that I thought that was a bad thing? I even stated that I found it amusing that he flexed to the crowd after the play ended, and no foul was called. I made the original post and I thought it was a foul because Jimond made contact with the player after the block. I did not post this comment as a bad thing. My point was that everyone complains about the refs and sometimes (not often) Akron get the benefit of the doubt. I cannot tell you how many times on the road that call will be made against Akron. This team played a great game and deserved the win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, skip-zip said: Because if you have a one or two point lead with a few seconds left, and your opponent is going to get an easy game-tying lay in, you BETTER be trying to make sure there's no way he's going to make that basket. So, when I agreed with the other poster who said it was a foul, why did you assume that I thought that was a bad thing? I even stated that I found it amusing that he flexed to the crowd after the play ended, and no foul was called. Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, 1981 grad said: I made the original post and I thought it was a foul because Jimond made contact with the player after the block. I did not post this comment as a bad thing. My point was that everyone complains about the refs and sometimes (not often) Akron get the benefit of the doubt. I cannot tell you how many times on the road that call will be made against Akron. This team played a great game and deserved the win. Look no further than Ball State. Yes I'm still salty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, 1981 grad said: I made the original post and I thought it was a foul because Jimond made contact with the player after the block. I did not post this comment as a bad thing. My point was that everyone complains about the refs and sometimes (not often) Akron get the benefit of the doubt. I cannot tell you how many times on the road that call will be made against Akron. This team played a great game and deserved the win. Speaking for myself, I thought your comments were fine and on point. I am still learning the MAC ways, but I do get frustrated with the refs at times. I assume the home team is going to get the benefit of the doubt on 50/50 calls. That doesn't always happen. I would think all the MAC refs would get together and agree on how they want to police specifics like moving screens, but they seem to be all over the place. A big bugaboo for me is consistency of tempo throughout the game. If the refs wake up that morning and decide to call a tight game, then please call a tight game for 40 minutes. My gripe yesterday was that a free-flowing game got a little tight there for a few minutes, but it did appear to bounce back. Refs are human too and often it balances out as you have said. My final bugaboo is I hate to see a player taken out of a game on a weak call. I have to re-watch the game to see if K-lac was really over-the-back on his 5th foul. It just looked weak at live speed. K-lac doesn't need help fouling out of a game. He does a pretty good job on his own. And I agree, they played well and earned this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Illini Zip said: Speaking for myself, I thought your comments were fine and on point. I am still learning the MAC ways, but I do get frustrated with the refs at times. I assume the home team is going to get the benefit of the doubt on 50/50 calls. That doesn't always happen. I would think all the MAC refs would get together and agree on how they want to police specifics like moving screens, but they seem to be all over the place. A big bugaboo for me is consistency of tempo throughout the game. If the refs wake up that morning and decide to call a tight game, then please call a tight game for 40 minutes. My gripe yesterday was that a free-flowing game got a little tight there for a few minutes, but it did appear to bounce back. Refs are human too and often it balances out as you have said. My final bugaboo is I hate to see a player taken out of a game on a weak call. I have to re-watch the game to see if K-lac was really over-the-back on his 5th foul. It just looked weak at live speed. K-lac doesn't need help fouling out of a game. He does a pretty good job on his own. And I agree, they played well and earned this one. Joke's on you. The MAC only has one way: suck. Yes, I hate our conference. Edited February 21, 2018 by Let'sGoZips94 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 i can't imagine a group of three referees getting together and saying, "Well, Bowling Green is the home team, so we need to give them a few breaks tonight" or "Since Akron is the away team, we need to call the fouls a little closer on them." I believe that is all urban legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illini Zip Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, NWAkron said: i can't imagine a group of three referees getting together and saying, "Well, Bowling Green is the home team, so we need to give them a few breaks tonight" or "Since Akron is the away team, we need to call the fouls a little closer on them." I believe that is all urban legend. Hey NWAkron, I don't think it goes down like that exactly. My experience is from watching the Big Ten as a league. And it's never spoken, but it's quite understood that the home team (with the paying fans in the house) will get the benefit of the doubt on bang-bang charging calls, etc. I have come to believe that in a Big Ten game the home team easily has a 10 pt. advantage. It can be frustrating if you prefer to watch a straight up game, but they are pretty consistent as a league. I am not arguing for one approach over the other, I just have not found a level of consistency while watching the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1981 grad Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Fewer fouls called on home team. Interesting article on ref bias: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/news/story?id=4682821 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, 1981 grad said: Fewer fouls called on home team. Interesting article on ref bias: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/news/story?id=4682821 Doesn't tell me much. Only looked at first half fouls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 23 hours ago, Illini Zip said: 23 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said: Down to Stacy on the floor for her 1st half analysis- "uhhhhhhh....shooting......practice.....shoot....ummmm, back to you Bob." 23 hours ago, Illini Zip said: Just when I thought Fergie couldn't be out done this week. Well, damn! Now I HAVE to watch the ESPN3 replay!! They DO show the commercials don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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