zippy5 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: If he's being told to expect a 20% cut in his pay and the program budget and not to expect any more support from the administration and ETSU is willing to offer much more, I can't say I blame him. It could potentially be a warning shot fired by him to those starting to sit down and crunch/trim the numbers. I'm thinking the latter and he's just letting them know he's got options. If hope the report is just wrong though. I'll wait until something more credible comes up to speculate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Even in the article that @Captain Kangaroo shared their coach made $400k in base pay plus an additional $250k in bonuses. That's $650k total so the same amount that Groce is making now. I'm pretty sure his contract is fully guaranteed so not sure if the university has any leverage to make him take a pay cut. That said perhaps they told him they will be reducing his staff budget and/or cut funding enough that he's not sure Akron will be able to compete moving forward. ETSU is a public school with even a smaller enrollment than Akron. It's not like they're immune to this covid-19 stuff. I can't see them making the same 7 figure offer that Duquesne did for Dambrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 When It rains it pours. It’s no wonder nobody has any pride in this school. Constantly treading water. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Nice 6k seat arena, built in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, zippy5 said: I'm thinking the latter and he's just letting them know he's got options. If hope the report is just wrong though. I'll wait until something more credible comes up to speculate Now that I've calmed down...I think it's a warning shot to the administration. This is John Groce. He doesn't take any BS from anyone. He's going to fight for his team and the program. He's a gambler as we've seen on the playing court. So on the flip side, I wouldn't expect him to take any crap from Miller or Williams. The timing of this is just a bit too perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, NWAkron said: Now that I've calmed down...I think it's a warning shot to the administration. This is John Groce. He doesn't take any BS from anyone. He's going to fight for his team and the program. He's a gambler as we've seen on the playing court. So on the flip side, I wouldn't expect him to take any crap from Miller or Williams. The timing of this is just a bit too perfect. Way more optimistic than me. I understand it's important to have leverage with your employer, but I can't see this signaling anything other than terrible news coming down the line. It does affirm that there was no way the Groce would ever be in this for the long hall (I had a tiny hope after the flameout at Illinois). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippypitt Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Zips play at Columbus State on Nov 19 per Cleveland PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, RowdyZip said: Way more optimistic than me. I understand it's important to have leverage with your employer, but I can't see this signaling anything other than terrible news coming down the line. It does affirm that there was no way the Groce would ever be in this for the long hall (I had a tiny hope after the flameout at Illinois). Groce was never going to be here for 10+ years and if he was that would mean he'd have a Mr. Pinky like tenure, which I wouldn't want. Personally, I expected him to eventually leave for a job at a place like Depaul. I doubt he leaves for the ETSU job, but that would be a pretty big blow if he does. At least when Dambrot left for Duquesne he left for a better conference even though Duquesne really wasn't as good of a program at Akron at the time. The MAC top to bottom is better than the Socon although the top 3-4 teams in the Socon have been pretty good the past 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) — If Groce leaves for another job, he would owe the Zips $1 million if he makes the move after only one year. The buyout goes down by $200,000 each year, meaning a move after his fourth season would call for a $400,000 payment to the university. Hire someone like they did at Western Michigan and Akron immediately saves $800,000. On the other hand: https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Basketball/2020/05/05/Noland-to-ETSU-fans-Have-patience-in-coaching-search Edited May 5, 2020 by NWAkron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 If he left now that would put hoops into the same trash bin as football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 That's the same position the program was in when Groce inherited it. It would probably be a slower rebuild next time as I doubt we'd spend to get someone who has the proven success that Groce does given out financial situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted May 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: That's the same position the program was in when Groce inherited it. It would probably be a slower rebuild next time as I doubt we'd spend to get someone who has the proven success that Groce does given out financial situation. I just wonder what we'd get at the reduced rate of pay the new guy would get. Lord knows we don't want this- He's Adam Gase level crazy looking. Edited May 6, 2020 by clarkwgriswold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/5/2020 at 3:39 PM, kreed5120 said: Funny how many gave me the side eye when i said I didn't want this guy 1. Because I knew he would never be All IN 2. Because I didn't want Ohio U's table scraps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted May 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, dre22era said: Funny how many gave me the side eye when i said I didn't want this guy 1. Because I knew he would never be All IN 2. Because I didn't want Ohio U's table scraps. I hate to deprive you of your much wanted "I told you so" moment but it's a little premature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 59 minutes ago, dre22era said: Funny how many gave me the side eye when i said I didn't want this guy 1. Because I knew he would never be All IN 2. Because I didn't want Ohio U's table scraps. Shove it, Dre. ? https://www.wjhl.com/sports/college-sports-2/etsu-bucs/source-etsu-to-hire-jason-shay-as-next-mens-basketball-head-coach/ BTW. that was simply an ugly rumor someone floated on the internet to ... maybe interfere with recruiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Soooo how is it premature if Groce did indeed interview for the job. I could care less if he didn't get it. Like former 2 faced president Matthew Wilson its the principle that counts University as a whole going down in flames and many continue to be dulusional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted May 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, dre22era said: Soooo how is it premature if Groce did indeed interview for the job. I could care less if he didn't get it. Like former 2 faced president Matthew Wilson its the principle that counts University as a whole going down in flames and many continue to be dulusional 1. Sorry, I need more than some vague internet report from a source I've never heard of. 2. He was "all in" enough to turn a steaming turd into MAC champions in 3 seasons. 3. If it's "going down" in flames, who could blame him for keeping his options open? 4. I am not D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said: 1. Sorry, I need more than some vague internet report from a source I've never heard of. 2. He was "all in" enough to turn a steaming turd into MAC champions in 3 seasons. 3. If it's "going down" in flames, who could blame him for keeping his options open? 4. I am not D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L. It started as a "vague" report when Matthew Wilson interviewed at other Universities. It's going down in flames because many refuse to hold people accountable for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAkron Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, dre22era said: Soooo how is it premature if Groce did indeed interview for the job. I could care less if he didn't get it. FYI. It's "couldn't care less" not "could care less". Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 Dre seems so sure this interview happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, NWAkron said: FYI. It's "couldn't care less" not "could care less". Think about it. After working 16 hrs on the front lines today to help protect yo ass I could care less about grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre22era Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 Zippy5 seems so sure this interview didn't happen without providing any receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 Lol let me get his exact whereabouts for the last week and check back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkwgriswold Posted May 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, dre22era said: It started as a "vague" report when Matthew Wilson interviewed at other Universities. It's going down in flames because many refuse to hold people accountable for their actions. Was Bob Huggins not accountable? Caleb Porter? Keith Dambrot? Thank you for your service. I don't agree with your persistently negative stance, but thanks for being on the front line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 In any case, no I do not know if he interviewed or not. I also find it unfair to question his character or commitment to the team without more evidence that an interview happened from a more credible source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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