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[GP1]

1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

This would be interesting. 

 

To whom?

[kreed5120]

20 minutes ago, GP1 said:

To whom?

I agree. Let's say Toledo got promoted this year. What's compelling about going to the Big 10 only to go 1-8 or 0-9 in conference play and be relegated back down? Even long-time Big 10 schools with much more institutional support than any MAC school are losing to OSU or UM by 3-4+ TDs. MAC schools, even with the additional TV revenue, wouldn't have the means to compete in the Big 10.

Edited May 15 by kreed5120

[GP1]

6 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

I agree. Let's say Toledo got promoted this year. What's compelling about going to the Big 10 only to go 1-8 or 0-9 in conference play and be relegated back down? Even long-time Big 10 schools with much more institutional support than any MAC school are losing to OSU or UM by 3-4+ TDs. MAC schools, even with the additional TV revenue, wouldn't have the means to compete in the Big 10.

Relegation is the dumbest idea in college athletics since believing the exposure of weeknight games was good for teams and conferences. 

[zippy5]

it's a great idea imo, but even dumber to think anyone in the P4 would ever agree to it

[Let'sGoZips94]

1 hour ago, GP1 said:

To whom?

 

Quite a few people. The aforementioned proposal has a ton of G5 fan support as it spreads around X. 

 

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

I agree. Let's say Toledo got promoted this year. What's compelling about going to the Big 10 only to go 1-8 or 0-9 in conference play and be relegated back down? Even long-time Big 10 schools with much more institutional support than any MAC school are losing to OSU or UM by 3-4+ TDs. MAC schools, even with the additional TV revenue, wouldn't have the means to compete in the Big 10.

 

The key would be to lock in a promotion for X amount of years (say 3 for example). That way the financials and promotion would have time to affect talent influx. 

 

At least with this, the G5s would get a shot to force the Power Conference teams to play them. That's more than what we have now, and it would make for a more exciting landscape. The Playoff is already exclusive to about 8-12 programs, so this doesn't change that. 

 

6 minutes ago, zippy5 said:

it's a great idea imo, but even dumber to think anyone in the P4 would ever agree to it

 

I don't think there's a legitimate belief the P4 would agree to this. But it's good fodder for a forum. 

[kreed5120]

How is the playoffs exclusive to only 8-12 teams when the playoffs will be 12 teams moving forward? Heck, even in the 4 team format Cincinnati, which is far from being one of the top 8-12 football programs historically, made the playoffs. It's not like the Huskies program has been anything special over the last several decades and they made the championship game this year. 

 

I'd say just about any P4 school has a chance of making it to the playoffs outside of perennial doormats like Vanderbilt. They might not all be able to contend every year, but a school like Wisconsin or Iowa is very capable of having a magical season here or there.

[Let'sGoZips94]

19 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

How is the playoffs exclusive to only 8-12 teams when the playoffs will be 12 teams moving forward? Heck, even in the 4 team format Cincinnati, which is far from being one of the top 8-12 football programs historically, made the playoffs. It's not like the Huskies program has been anything special over the last several decades and they made the championship game this year. 

 

I'd say just about any P4 school has a chance of making it to the playoffs outside of perennial doormats like Vanderbilt. They might not all be able to contend every year, but a school like Wisconsin or Iowa is very capable of having a magical season here or there.

 

Your post about promotion/relegation dismissed the concept due to the presumed results of the promoted team(s) (i.e. Toledo in your example). I was simply saying that the Playoff is exclusive to 8-12 teams who actually have a shot at winning the whole thing, not simply participating. 

[GP1]

16 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

The key would be to lock in a promotion for X amount of years (say 3 for example). That way the financials and promotion would have time to affect talent influx. 

Let's say a Toledo made it up. In three years, they would go from a perennial winner to a laughing stock. The best they could hope for is being Vanderbilt level good. After three years they would have to take their broken, demoted program void of any players because they would all transfer out and then try to win at a lower level. 

 

Relegation would be the path of destruction for programs. It would be great for the Alabama's of the world because it would create an even worse lower class than already exists. I would pray for relegation if I was an Alabama fan. Easy wins get easier. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

25 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Let's say a Toledo made it up. In three years, they would go from a perennial winner to a laughing stock. The best they could hope for is being Vanderbilt level good. After three years they would have to take their broken, demoted program void of any players because they would all transfer out and then try to win at a lower level. 

 

Relegation would be the path of destruction for programs. It would be great for the Alabama's of the world because it would create an even worse lower class than already exists. I would pray for relegation if I was an Alabama fan. Easy wins get easier. 

 

In those 3 years, they would have the opportunity to play traditional power conference teams almost every week, including AT HOME which does not really happen in today's college football. Saying the best they can hope for is to have Vanderbilt's level of success; that's a possibility but a pessimistic "best case scenario." They could also suck those 3 years but win the promotion/relegation game and stay up for another year or more. Who knows what happens, but at least they'd have the chance to prove themselves, something that doesn't really exist in today's college football world. 

 

Players transferring out... How is that different from today's situation? 

 

You would pray for easier wins but no chance at the Playoff/National Championship? First, isn't that contradicting to "this would be great for Bama because it would create an even worse lower class?" Second, I can't relate to not wanting a shot at the highest level of achievements. 

[GP1]

Imagine how good they would get if they compounded it with the exposure of playing every game on a weeknight, because that's where the networks are going to throw the bad match ups. 

 

Over a three year period, a team like Toledo would trade out their high level G5 players for P4 castaways. When the castaways leave, they will struggle to find a team to build a winning culture around. 

 

Why can't the G5 schools have their own national championship?

[Let'sGoZips94]

2 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Why can't the G5 schools have their own national championship?

 

"G5s can consistently compete with ~75% of the Power Conference teams, but they should go play their own National Championship because they can't compete at all with the top 10% (neither than 75% of Power Conference schools)."

 

Loser mentality. Also, the Promotion/Relegation games would be as good if not better than "their own National Championship."

[Captain Kangaroo]

Relegation is a bizarre concept that would never fly. I just won't...no use even discussing it.

 

A G5 division would fly. Especially if it's a model that uses NIL for it's original intent - Not to pay players like professionals from donor slush funds, but to allow players to promote a local car dealership, or get money from a jersey sale. 

 

To begin, maybe it only consists of 30-40 like-minded teams. But there'll quickly be late-adopters who find they're going broke trying to keep up with the Ohio States and Alabama's of the P5 landscape. They'll join the new G5.

 

It would be interesting to see if any upper-tier FCS programs (NDSU) would join.

 

The Zips Football Program barely has two pennies to rub together. Where's the $25k per MAC wide receiver going to come from? And the Zips aren't the only ones. All P5 and G5 schools are acting like they have ample donors lined up to fund this new era of Professional Free Agent College Football. But I don't believe it.

[GP1]

Ready to pay 60% of a class action law suit?

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2024/05/20/proposed-house-vs-ncaa-power-5-settlement-unfairly-hurts-small-schools-nil-billion-dollars/73760608007/

 

[clarkwgriswold]

I'm thinking this article will not be well-received by ZipsNation.  LOL.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/case-end-college-football-123000337.html

[GP1]

57 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

I'm thinking this article will not be well-received by ZipsNation.  LOL.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/case-end-college-football-123000337.html

It's interesting.

 

I'll say it a slightly different way. College football and basketball have become antithetical to what universities are trying to accomplish. Athletes are largely separated from the general student body because of their practice and class load, which is largely individualized so other people can complete the work for them. The university experience should bring young people together in a group learning environment so they can learn as individuals and learn to work in groups. Collaboration is critical to the learning process.

 

Further, there are no other elements of the university system that uses the labor of others to make money in a gross way. In addition, athletics requires non athletes to pay enormous students fees to support athletic departments. Many of these students must increase their student loan dept in order to pay for these fees. These loans dog them for years after they graduate. 

 

I'd love it if more kids didn't go to college to take advantage of the NBA D league. I'd also love it if there was a minor league football league run similar to MLB. 

 

College athletics are completely overheated and something has to happen to cool it down. It's becoming bad for the athletes students alumni fans and general community around universities. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

Not sure where to put this, but the Bussin's with the Boys podcast guys joined Dale Jr. on his podcast. Will Compton gave his recruiting backstory and Dale Jr. asked him who were some people texting him for recruiting. Will said that Rob Ianello really stood out because he always wanted to go to Notre Dame. 

 

That right there is exactly why even entertaining the idea of hiring a Notre Dame recruiting coordinator as your next head coach was the dumbest thing this university has ever done. Ianello could've sold 💩 to recruits as long as the Notre Dame name was on it. 

Edited May 28 by Let'sGoZips94

[Let'sGoZips94]

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[Let'sGoZips94]

Does this mean Bubba can come back?

 

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

37 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

Does this mean Bubba can come back?

 

 

 

 

 

[UA1996MAENG]

On 5/28/2024 at 10:37 AM, Let'sGoZips94 said:

Not sure where to put this, but the Bussin's with the Boys podcast guys joined Dale Jr. on his podcast. Will Compton gave his recruiting backstory and Dale Jr. asked him who were some people texting him for recruiting. Will said that Rob Ianello really stood out because he always wanted to go to Notre Dame. 

 

That right there is exactly why even entertaining the idea of hiring a Notre Dame recruiting coordinator as your next head coach was the dumbest thing this university has ever done. Ianello could've sold 💩 to recruits as long as the Notre Dame name was on it. 

That type of hire is almost always a failure. I can't recall even one that worked unless we consider KSU’s hiring of Darrell Hazell from OSU as a position coach).  The MAC in particular seems to sniff around large programs for anyone, absolutely anyone, from P5 programs to lead a program.  I have an allergic reaction every time I hear something like "Notre Recruiting Coordinator" or "Ohio State assistant to the assistant WR coach..."  Ionello is certainly the best worst example of name-brand candidates without any proven skill. It’s been a long time since he was fired, but it still seems like his two years at UA is part of the problem today.

[GP1]

23 minutes ago, UA1996MAENG said:

That type of hire is almost always a failure. I can't recall even one that worked unless we consider KSU’s hiring of Darrell Hazell from OSU as a position coach).  The MAC in particular seems to sniff around large programs for anyone, absolutely anyone, from P5 programs to lead a program.  I have an allergic reaction every time I hear something like "Notre Recruiting Coordinator" or "Ohio State assistant to the assistant WR coach..."  Ionello is certainly the best worst example of name-brand candidates without any proven skill. It’s been a long time since he was fired, but it still seems like his two years at UA is part of the problem today.

People in and around NE Ohio overvalue catholic school players and experience. I Coach was a near perfect example of it. 

[UA1996MAENG]

1 minute ago, GP1 said:

People in and around NE Ohio overvalue catholic school players and experience. I Coach was a near perfect example of it. 

I grew up in Cincinnati with all those great Catholic programs like Moeller, St. X, Elder, etc.  It seems like those are great TEAMS specifically - well coached, motivated, disciplined.  However, it does not seem that these schools have as many legitimate D1 prospects as the "power" public schools. You'd think with all their post-season success that they'd send more kids to an Ohio State or Michigan, for exmaple, but I can't remember the last time I saw a GCL kid sign with the Buckeyes.

[MangoZip]

2 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said:

I grew up in Cincinnati with all those great Catholic programs like Moeller, St. X, Elder, etc.  It seems like those are great TEAMS specifically - well coached, motivated, disciplined.  However, it does not seem that these schools have as many legitimate D1 prospects as the "power" public schools. You'd think with all their post-season success that they'd send more kids to an Ohio State or Michigan, for exmaple, but I can't remember the last time I saw a GCL kid sign with the Buckeyes.

Sam Hubbard comes to mind but can’t think of one since then - although there probably is somebody? 

[GP1]

8 hours ago, UA1996MAENG said:

I grew up in Cincinnati with all those great Catholic programs like Moeller, St. X, Elder, etc.  It seems like those are great TEAMS specifically - well coached, motivated, disciplined.  However, it does not seem that these schools have as many legitimate D1 prospects as the "power" public schools. You'd think with all their post-season success that they'd send more kids to an Ohio State or Michigan, for exmaple, but I can't remember the last time I saw a GCL kid sign with the Buckeyes.

There were some good teams. My point is the overvaluing of not just the teams.