ALI ALI ....

[AkronAlumnus]

Good on the NCAA. They did what's right, at the end of the day 😕

[ewbrooman1]

36 minutes ago, AkronAlumnus said:

Good on the NCAA. They did what's right, at the end of the day 😕

Especially when threatened with legal action. 😉

[zipsrule]

13 minutes ago, ewbrooman1 said:

Especially when threatened with legal action. 😉

Exactly.  They only did the right thing when they were pressured to.

[clarkwgriswold]

50 minutes ago, AkronAlumnus said:

Good on the NCAA. They did what's right, at the end of the day 😕

Cost the kid 8 games and cost the taxpayers.  Schmucks.

[clarkwgriswold]

Article on the case filed by the attorneys general and the transfer waiver process -

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/lawsuit-aims-to-eliminate-all-ncaa-transfer-restrictions-while-some-are-pushing-for-a-stricter-policy-211746802.html

[NWAkron]

the one year "sit out" for an early transfer and immediate play for graduate transfer seemed to work well and appeared to be fair to all parties.  Once you start making exceptions and consider things which are malleable like mental health (is he depressed because his GF dumped him or because his parent died) or crime victim status (was his Ipad stolen or was he attacked and robbed), it gets messy and arbitrary.  And we would be singing a different tune on Zipsnation if it were Sincere Carry who transferred away and then came back to Kent and wanted an exception made for him.

 

I think Pat Forsythe was allowed to play immediately (a lot of good it did the Zips) because his father died.

[clarkwgriswold]

3 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

the one year "sit out" for an early transfer and immediate play for graduate transfer seemed to work well and appeared to be fair to all parties.  Once you start making exceptions and consider things which are malleable like mental health (is he depressed because his GF dumped him or because his parent died) or crime victim status (was his Ipad stolen or was he attacked and robbed), it gets messy and arbitrary.  And we would be singing a different tune on Zipsnation if it were Sincere Carry who transferred away and then came back to Kent and wanted an exception made for him.

 

I think Pat Forsythe was allowed to play immediately (a lot of good it did the Zips) because his father died.

 

Good call.  They've just set up a system that has too much subjectivity.  Move and sit a year or allow immediate transfer and take out the waiver/appeal process and debate.  

[NWAkron]

Far be it for me to be cynical, but Groce and Guthrie can claim this is all about Ali's mental health and maybe another type of issue but they are going to the mat for Ali because he can help them win the MAC.  And according to the article, the coaches and the universities asked for the current rule because (I assume) some big time programs wanted some big time players on the court immediately.  Thus they created "does the kid have a "big time" mental health issue exception and on and on.

 

Over the years the old system worked for Akron.    LCJ sat out a year.  The latest transfer ruled helped Castaneda.  X Williams and Malcolm were grad transfers?

Edited December 13, 2023 by NWAkron

[zipsrule]

45 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

 

Good call.  They've just set up a system that has too much subjectivity.  Move and sit a year or allow immediate transfer and take out the waiver/appeal process and debate.  

Yep.  The NCAA created this mess and now they have to deal with it.

[LZIp]

 

38 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

Far be it for me to be cynical, but Groce and Guthrie can claim this is all about Ali's mental health and maybe another type of issue but they are going to the mat for Ali because he can help them win the MAC.  And according to the article, the coaches and the universities asked for the current rule because (I assume) some big time programs wanted some big time players on the court immediately.  Thus they created "does the kid have a "big time" mental health issue exception and on and on.

 

Over the years the old system worked for Akron.    LCJ sat out a year.  The latest transfer ruled helped Castaneda.  X Williams and Malcolm were grad transfers?

I believe X Williams definitely sat out a year (with LCJ). Malcolm was a grad transfer.

[NWAkron]

Had Groce found a way to keep Jermaine Marshall we probably wouldn't have this thread.🙄

[Hilltopper]

39 minutes ago, LZIp said:

 

I believe X Williams definitely sat out a year (with LCJ). Malcolm was a grad transfer.

Correct

[clarkwgriswold]

I don't have a huge problem with them sitting a year but at the same time a coach can move and coach immediately.  At a base level, that seems unfair.

[Captain Kangaroo]

There's no turning back the clock. First time transfers will never return to the days of sitting out a season.

 

The only question will be - will the NCAA go back to just letting everyone transfer as they please with no limits and no sitting out?

 

An easy fix to Clarke's problem - if a coach leaves or gets fired, players can transfer with no limits. Everyone else sits a year. It'll never happen...but that's the fix.

[zipsrule]

1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

An easy fix to Clarke's problem - if a coach leaves or gets fired, players can transfer with no limits. Everyone else sits a year. It'll never happen...but that's the fix.

Yep.  That would be fine if that is the only exception.  The problem would be that people are going to want to add another exception, and another, and another...

[clarkwgriswold]

The judge in the case filed last week has issued a TRO prohibiting the NCAA from holding up the second transfers.  It's in effect for two weeks, so not full relief yet. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by clarkwgriswold

[Hilltopper]

 

[clarkwgriswold]

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/zips/2023/12/14/akron-zips-mens-college-basketball-ali-ali-ncaa-eligibility-sammy-hunter-nate-johnson-john-groce-mac/71811828007/

[Let'sGoZips94]

Interesting list here. Includes a WMU player. 

 

Farrakhan (EMU transfer to WVU) as well.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Let'sGoZips94

[clarkwgriswold]

Angry child is a good look for the NCAA -

 

https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/basketball/ncaa-notifies-schools-two-time-transfers-could-lose-season-of-eligibility-if-they-play-during-two-week-restraining-order-window

[Let'sGoZips94]

50 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

Angry child is a good look for the NCAA -

 

https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/basketball/ncaa-notifies-schools-two-time-transfers-could-lose-season-of-eligibility-if-they-play-during-two-week-restraining-order-window

 

When you're a dog that's losing its teeth, it's best to bark in intimidation. 

 

Scumbags.

[Captain Kangaroo]

It would be nice if all the affected schools stood together and said "FU, our kids are playing" and ignored the NCAA.

[Let'sGoZips94]

8 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said:

Angry child is a good look for the NCAA -

 

https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/basketball/ncaa-notifies-schools-two-time-transfers-could-lose-season-of-eligibility-if-they-play-during-two-week-restraining-order-window

 

Ignore the quote. Stupid phone.

 

 

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Let'sGoZips94

[clarkwgriswold]

27 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

 

 

This principled organization caves like a cheap card table every time a little bit of pressure is put on it.  If you really believe in the rules you're trying to enforce you don't cave every time there's a little push back.