MAC Scores

[Let'sGoZips94]

52 minutes ago, zipsrule said:

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56 minutes ago, zipsrule said:

Kent down 44-0 early second quarter against Tennessee.  The Vols were up 30-0 in the first quarter when they were successful with an onside kick.

 

Onside kicking Kent up 30-0 in the first quarter is next level awesome. They're my SEC darlings simply for that. Go Vols!

[Let'sGoZips94]

Kent is like a boxer prepping for a fight by getting hit over and over again to build toughness. The issue is, they're doing this in the Salty Spatoon when their skill level is meant for the Weenie Hut Jr. 

 

[ZippyRulz]

1. I didn't know teams could change the clock rules by agreement.

2. Did the fans all leave after the halftime band show a la OU?

3. How did UT only score 6 points in the 2nd half?

4. There should probably be some kind of mercy rules at the NCAA level.

 

Edited September 15 by ZippyRulz

[LZIp]

Toledo had the mist impressive G5 win yesterday. 2 straight weeks for the MAC. Dare to say the conference feels improved and is in the drivers seat for the G5 playoff spot if NIU can get by NC State in week 5, who is definitely beatable.

[Lee Adams]

3 hours ago, LZIp said:

Toledo had the mist impressive G5 win yesterday. 2 straight weeks for the MAC. Dare to say the conference feels improved and is in the drivers seat for the G5 playoff spot if NIU can get by NC State in week 5, who is definitely beatable.

Watched a good bit of Toledo demolishing Miss. State. Akron and a number of other MAC programs can only dream of achieving at that level. Didn't realize Jason Candle had been there 10 years according to the announcers. Vince Kheres on the staff. Don't see that kind of success ever happening at Akron. The commitment to building a Toledo type operation has never existed here since Akron went to full D1. Sad.

[GP1]

Toledo really kicked the poop out of them. With the new playoff system, the October 19 Toledo @ NIU game could be huge. Before that, Toledo has to get by a good WKU team this coming weekend. 

 

It's amazing what a program can do when they prioritize the athletes students alumni fans and general community around their school.  Toledo is a substantiative college football program. 

[72 Roo]

4 hours ago, LZIp said:

Toledo had the mist impressive G5 win yesterday. 2 straight weeks for the MAC. Dare to say the conference feels improved and is in the drivers seat for the G5 playoff spot if NIU can get by NC State in week 5, who is definitely beatable.

I admire your optimism, but the MAC is not improving, the better teams are. As a whole the MAC is crap and the bottom is getting crappier. The top teams, Toledo, NIU, Miami, are figuring it out. The rest are not.

[GP1]

3 minutes ago, 72 Roo said:

I admire your optimism, but the MAC is not improving, the better teams are. As a whole the MAC is crap and the bottom is getting crappier. The top teams, Toledo, NIU, Miami, are figuring it out. The rest are not.

You just successfully described every conference. College football is flooded with a lot of bad teams. On Saturdays, there are tons of games on TV at any time and it's difficult to find two watchable games. 

[LZIp]

15 minutes ago, 72 Roo said:

I admire your optimism, but the MAC is not improving, the better teams are. As a whole the MAC is crap and the bottom is getting crappier. The top teams, Toledo, NIU, Miami, are figuring it out. The rest are not.

The top getting better and the bottom staying the same sounds like an improvement to me. Even aside from NIU and Toledo, BG came this close to knocking off Penn State. The “average programs” aalso seem to generally be beating the other G5s (Ohio/South Alabama and EMU/Jax State) come to mind immediately.

[ZippyRulz]

1 hour ago, Lee Adams said:

 The commitment to building a Toledo type operation has never existed here since Akron went to full D1. Sad.

How so?

 

[GP1]

20 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said:

How so?

 

Well you asked for it. I don't have all day, but I'll just provide some highlights of how Akron hasn't benefited the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Akron that would create a successful program. 

 

Decades of underfunding athletic scholarships, facilities and services such as training tables.

 

They have made it more difficult for students alumni fans and general community around Akron to attend games by playing on days of the week and times convenient for attendance. 

 

Failure to provide a top notch community event on gameday that would drive attendance and highlight the University. 

 

Failure to frame the athletic department as a benefit to the community worthy of community support. 

 

Toledo does all of this and more. They have more than a good team. They have a good program. It's always good, not just some of the time. Athletes students alumni fans and general community around Toledo know it is a good program and benefit from supporting the program or being part of it.

 

Toledo's success is on purpose. The winning doesn't just happen because they have a good coach or a good player. Lots of coaches win there. They always have good players. They know there is no magic pill. 

 

Could anyone say any this about Akron?

[Lee Adams]

6 hours ago, ZippyRulz said:

How so?

 

Look at wins and losses,attendance,following....see GP1

[ZippyRulz]

 

6 hours ago, GP1 said:

 

Failure to provide a top notch community event on gameday that would drive attendance and highlight the University. 

 

Failure to frame the athletic department as a benefit to the community worthy of community support. 

 

 

Help me to understand what this means. How is Toledo accomplishing this?

 

Edited September 16 by ZippyRulz

[GP1]

48 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said:

 

 

Help me to understand what this means. How is Toledo accomplishing this?

 

This is the last time I do your work for you. It took me 20 seconds to find this. 

https://utrockets.com/news/2023/8/18/football-new-family-and-youth-activities-will-enhance-game-day-experience-at-the-glass-bowl-in-2023.aspx

 

[kreed5120]

A few things. Toledo also plays midweek games. Akron in the past has hosted big events on game days. I remember a few years ago they even offered a free concert headlined by Soul Asylum prior to kickoff. I've seen other similar kid events that you shared that Akron has hosted. I don't think Toledo is doing much more than Akron besides establishing a winning culture and having competent decision makers/ADs.

 

Akron has been miserable for so long that apathy has settled in. I was an undergrad during the Coach I years. I remember pregaming with friends to go to the games and by the time we'd sober up around half-time we were down 3 scores and were bored so we'd leave. Eventually we just quit going to the games altogether. I've tried offering these same friends free tickets after graduating to attend, but nobody wants to go because they remember how terrible the experience was.

 

It's not fun watching "your team" lose by 20-30 points each week for a decade plus. The Browns were terrible for many years, but still most games were decided by 10 points or less. Akron games have historically been over at half-time. Put a product on the field that's worth investing 4-6 hours of one's time to attend and then maybe people will show up.

[zippy5]

remember, by the time we play our familiar rivals at home, we're 1-3 at best due to this ATM scheduling. There's no momentum or hype - winning will get people there, but by the time we even have a meaningful home game, we're behind the 8 ball. We don't help ourselves at all

[egregiousbob]

12 hours ago, GP1 said:

This is the last time I do your work for you. It took me 20 seconds to find this. 

https://utrockets.com/news/2023/8/18/football-new-family-and-youth-activities-will-enhance-game-day-experience-at-the-glass-bowl-in-2023.aspx

 

 

I'm sorry but this is silly.  Toledo and Akron are VERY different cities/markets.  Read up on the history of Toledo and that slice of Ohio swampland no one wanted back in the 1800s.

 

Toledo is isolated from other major cities in Ohio. It has its own TV network affiliates. Its citizens are as likely to work in Michigan as Ohio and many are indeed Michigan fans. This insular mentality explains the strong civic pride, the iconic status of the Toledo Mudhens and, yes, the pivotal role of UT athletics in many residents' lives. Some of these same characteristics explain the popularity of University of Cincinnati sports - although the UC folks are delusional, IMO, if they believe they can compete financially with other P5 leaders.

 

Akron, by comparison, is part of a three-city metroplex where citizens are fans of Cleveland professional sports teams, Ohio State, and high school athletics.  Our media is largely Cleveland based. There are tens of thousands of graduates of other state universities who live and work in NEO. UA is still largely viewed as a (good) municipal university that provides convenient access to higher education. UA sports have never been, and likely never will be, priorities for local residents.  We're kidding ourselves to believe otherwise.

 

 

[egregiousbob]

21 hours ago, LZIp said:

The top getting better and the bottom staying the same sounds like an improvement to me. Even aside from NIU and Toledo, BG came this close to knocking off Penn State. The “average programs” aalso seem to generally be beating the other G5s (Ohio/South Alabama and EMU/Jax State) come to mind immediately.

 

Interested in your assessment of Ohio and EMU as "average" MAC programs.  Ohio is coming off of two consecutive 10-win seasons, has won five straight bowl games and has more wins than any other MAC school, excepting Toledo, over the past 15 years. Also in top 2 in attendance.  They lost 48 players to the portal last year yet game Syracuse a great game and are 2-1.  They are in the "average" tier?

 

 

 

[catdaddyp]

19 minutes ago, egregiousbob said:

 

Interested in your assessment of Ohio and EMU as "average" MAC programs.  Ohio is coming off of two consecutive 10-win seasons, has won five straight bowl games and has more wins than any other MAC school, excepting Toledo, over the past 15 years. Also in top 2 in attendance.  They lost 48 players to the portal last year yet game Syracuse a great game and are 2-1.  They are in the "average" tier?

 

 

 

I think @LZIp meant average this season? Most Ohio fans would say 6-7 wins would be a good season in 2024. I don’t know if anyone knows what Ohio or EMU are just yet.

 

Ohio did beat USA and FCS Morgan State. But how good are either of those wins? USA lost to North Texas and Ohio. They then beat a terrible Northwestern State team. Morgan State looks a lot like the Morgan State from last year with two close games against other FCS opponents. So the Syracuse game in Week 1, when everyone is figuring out what that they have, is probably their best showing so far.

 

EMU beat an 0-3 UMASS and an 0-3 Jax State in OT. Depending on the point of view it could be said they performed well against Washington in that loss. What does that tell us? I don’t know.

 

I think at this point it’s anyone’s guess what most MAC teams are outside of the top tier. At least the MAC is winning their fair share of OOC games.

 

[Lee Adams]

1 hour ago, egregiousbob said:

 

I'm sorry but this is silly.  Toledo and Akron are VERY different cities/markets.  Read up on the history of Toledo and that slice of Ohio swampland no one wanted back in the 1800s.

 

Toledo is isolated from other major cities in Ohio. It has its own TV network affiliates. Its citizens are as likely to work in Michigan as Ohio and many are indeed Michigan fans. This insular mentality explains the strong civic pride, the iconic status of the Toledo Mudhens and, yes, the pivotal role of UT athletics in many residents' lives. Some of these same characteristics explain the popularity of University of Cincinnati sports - although the UC folks are delusional, IMO, if they believe they can compete financially with other P5 leaders.

 

Akron, by comparison, is part of a three-city metroplex where citizens are fans of Cleveland professional sports teams, Ohio State, and high school athletics.  Our media is largely Cleveland based. There are tens of thousands of graduates of other state universities who live and work in NEO. UA is still largely viewed as a (good) municipal university that provides convenient access to higher education. UA sports have never been, and likely never will be, priorities for local residents.  We're kidding ourselves to believe otherwise.

 

 

People in the Akron area showed more interest in Akron football when the program was a very good D2 program. Consistent winning,playoffs,Acme-Zip. Don't get me wrong not like they drew 20,000. But, attendance was good for that level. It seemed the ABJ payed more attention. They were competitive. Lost to Terry Bradshaw in the playoffs. Won 2 home playoff games at the Bowl. One was the first NCAA overtime playoff game as I recall. It was just more fun.

[ZippyRulz]

18 hours ago, Lee Adams said:

Look at wins and losses,attendance,following....see GP1

 

Look at the stadium, field house, weight rooms, locker rooms, coaching salaries, campus enhancements.... to put it kindly, I disagree that there's never been a commitment to building the program. GP1 is talking about bounce houses for the families, Zips Walk, etc. which are apparently the missing piece (and which I'm totally in favor of).

 

 

Edited September 16 by ZippyRulz

[GP1]

4 hours ago, egregiousbob said:

 

I'm sorry but this is silly.  Toledo and Akron are VERY different cities/markets.  Read up on the history of Toledo and that slice of Ohio swampland no one wanted back in the 1800s.

 

Toledo is isolated from other major cities in Ohio. It has its own TV network affiliates. Its citizens are as likely to work in Michigan as Ohio and many are indeed Michigan fans. This insular mentality explains the strong civic pride, the iconic status of the Toledo Mudhens and, yes, the pivotal role of UT athletics in many residents' lives. Some of these same characteristics explain the popularity of University of Cincinnati sports - although the UC folks are delusional, IMO, if they believe they can compete financially with other P5 leaders.

 

Akron, by comparison, is part of a three-city metroplex where citizens are fans of Cleveland professional sports teams, Ohio State, and high school athletics.  Our media is largely Cleveland based. There are tens of thousands of graduates of other state universities who live and work in NEO. UA is still largely viewed as a (good) municipal university that provides convenient access to higher education. UA sports have never been, and likely never will be, priorities for local residents.  We're kidding ourselves to believe otherwise.

 

 

They are different markets, but that doesn't excuse Akron's failures. Being a benefit to the surrounding community can mean a lot of things. Toledo found a way to do it. Akron doesn't try. 

[LZIp]

On 9/16/2024 at 11:50 AM, catdaddyp said:

I think @LZIp meant average this season? Most Ohio fans would say 6-7 wins would be a good season in 2024. I don’t know if anyone knows what Ohio or EMU are just yet.

 

Ohio did beat USA and FCS Morgan State. But how good are either of those wins? USA lost to North Texas and Ohio. They then beat a terrible Northwestern State team. Morgan State looks a lot like the Morgan State from last year with two close games against other FCS opponents. So the Syracuse game in Week 1, when everyone is figuring out what that they have, is probably their best showing so far.

 

EMU beat an 0-3 UMASS and an 0-3 Jax State in OT. Depending on the point of view it could be said they performed well against Washington in that loss. What does that tell us? I don’t know.

 

I think at this point it’s anyone’s guess what most MAC teams are outside of the top tier. At least the MAC is winning their fair share of OOC games.

 

Exactly what I meant. Middle of the pack teams this season seem to be fairing well against other G5 opponents. Ps- I don’t know if USA is any good or not, but currently beating App State @ App State 41-7.

[Let'sGoZips94]

9 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Exactly what I meant. Middle of the pack teams this season seem to be fairing well against other G5 opponents. Ps- I don’t know if USA is any good or not, but currently beating App State @ App State 41-7.

 

USA put up 87 pts on a FCS school last week I believe. They have a legit offense. 

[catdaddyp]

8 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Exactly what I meant. Middle of the pack teams this season seem to be fairing well against other G5 opponents. Ps- I don’t know if USA is any good or not, but currently beating App State @ App State 41-7.

USA certainly looks good tonight. Ohio may have been fortunate to catch USA sans the starting QB.