MAC Scores

[Let'sGoZips94]

Stanford Steve continues to destroy PCCC on GameDay. This is becoming one of my favorite Saturday traditions. 

[ZippyRulz]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:19 PM, LZIp said:

Exactly what I meant. Middle of the pack teams this season seem to be fairing well against other G5 opponents. Ps- I don’t know if USA is any good or not, but currently beating App State @ App State 41-7.

 

OU could have gone to 10-7 at UK but fumbled on a sack from the UK 5 and gave up another TD. 17-0 UK.

 

[Spin]

Miami is up 3-0 against the 17th ranked Holy Rollers in the second quarter. Subject the change at any moment.

 

 

Edited September 21 by Spin

[catdaddyp]

True to form, NIU followed up its biggest win in school history with a loss to an inferior opponent. Gotta give credit to Lembo though, he’s getting the most out of what he has.

[zipsrule]

4 minutes ago, catdaddyp said:

True to form, NIU followed up its biggest win in school history with a loss to an inferior opponent. Gotta give credit to Lembo though, he’s getting the most out of what he has.

And that game was in DeKalb.

[zipsrule]

Kent Falls 56-0 to Penn State.

[Let'sGoZips94]

BUGS down by 3 to TAMU.

[MDZip]

So highly unlikely we're beating Miami, BGSU, NIU or Toledo. Looks like a 4-4 ceiling. 

[exit322]

5 minutes ago, MDZip said:

So highly unlikely we're beating Miami, BGSU, NIU or Toledo. Looks like a 4-4 ceiling. 

You can safely add Ohio, Western Michigan, and Eastern Michigan to that list.

[Let'sGoZips94]

2 hours ago, zipsrule said:

Kent Falls 56-0 to Penn State.

 

And lost both(?) their QBs.

[zipsrule]

4 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

And lost both(?) their QBs.

And gave up 718 yards.

[Let'sGoZips94]

1 minute ago, zipsrule said:

And gave up 718 yards.

 

The White Sox of college football. 

[ZippyRulz]

5 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

BUGS down by 3 to TAMU.

 

They lost. Toledo lost to WKU. NIU lost to Buffalo.

 

There were a lot of great college football games today, accompanied by a lot of degenerate drinking.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 22 by ZippyRulz

[LZIp]

8 hours ago, ZippyRulz said:

 

They lost. Toledo lost to WKU. NIU lost to Buffalo.

 

There were a lot of great college football games today, accompanied by a lot of degenerate drinking.

 

 

 

 

Horrible week for the MAC. Firmly believe we controlled our own destiny,  but any playoff chances should be gone with NIU and Toledo losing.

[ewbrooman1]

Just so you know 😉, Zips were outscored 151-30 in their 3 big money games. Can't went down 182-24. Let me know when those big payoffs actually pay off. Basically unwatchable football games.

Edited September 23 by ewbrooman1

[Let'sGoZips94]

11 minutes ago, ewbrooman1 said:

Just so you know, Zips were outscored 151-30 in their 3 big money games. Can't went down 182-24. Let me know when those big payoffs actually pay off. Basically unwatchable football games.

 

Every game you watch from here on out was paid for by the 3 unwatchable football games.

 

Quite frankly, BG had a similar pay day stretch with Texas A&M & Penn State - they barely lost both games. NIU and Toledo each collected big pay days - they both won. Part of why it's unwatchable is our coaching staff doesn't have this program at the level it could be. Not necessarily blaming them for the previous administrative decisions that set this program back so far, but we're also in year 3 and look more FCS than FBS. 

[kreed5120]

So many people seem to blame the schedule. South Carolina and Rutgers have been bottom to mid-tier P5 programs in their respective conferences for the last decade or so. Even if we swap them out for a game against App State, Marshall, or Western Kentucky, I have little faith that we would be better than the 1-3 record we are currently. 

[Captain Kangaroo]

43 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

So many people seem to blame the schedule. South Carolina and Rutgers have been bottom to mid-tier P5 programs in their respective conferences for the last decade or so. Even if we swap them out for a game against App State, Marshall, or Western Kentucky, I have little faith that we would be better than the 1-3 record we are currently. 

I blame the schedule. We're no where near the class of mid-level P5 teams right now. Those are guaranteed losses...that's why those teams pay us crazy sums of money to pound us.

 

If we'd have played Marshall, Liberty, UAB, etc. we'd have been way more competitive, and way less banged up as we roll into Athens on Saturday.

 

How has BGSU seemingly leapfrogged us, when we ran them off the field only a couple years ago? How has EMU begun fielding watchable teams after decades of wallowing in the lower-MAC abyss? Those are the questions I'd like to see answered if we finish 2024 with only 2 or 3 wins. There is obviously a method to being competitive in the MAC even if you recently sucked. And it isn't just the head coach, it is the entire organization. The AD get's no free pass because we were bad before he arrived, or the stadium and practice facilities are too nice.

 

I want to see this Zips team against MAC competition. I still like our defense, and I know if Finley isn't getting snowed under he's a good QB. I HOPE our OL fares better against competition more within their weight class. I HOPE Joe calls a more diverse, aggressive offensive game when he actually has a chance to win, and isn't just hoping to survive.

 

We'll see...

[catdaddyp]

1 hour ago, kreed5120 said:

So many people seem to blame the schedule. South Carolina and Rutgers have been bottom to mid-tier P5 programs in their respective conferences for the last decade or so. Even if we swap them out for a game against App State, Marshall, or Western Kentucky, I have little faith that we would be better than the 1-3 record we are currently. 

Regardless of their perceived standing this year, neither Rutgers or South Carolina have lost to a G5 team under their current head coaches. Yes, there have been some close games, but no losses. Keep in mind, the same “mid-tier” South Carolina program walloped #5 Tennessee just two years ago. That was the same year Tennessee beat us 63-6. 

 

Like I’ve said before, losing creates apathy. To some the “eyeball test” is important and we clearly have not met the eyeball test for a full 4 quarters against anyone on our schedule this year. It’s interesting that some are quick to point to close losses by other teams and infer they are competitive, yet when this program loses 10 one score games in two years, it’s nothing more than losses and the program isn’t competitive.

 

Perhaps this team doesn’t win much more, or maybe, they come out and surprise everyone in conference play? I don’t know, but we won’t find out until the games are played. We’re 1-3, which is right where this team should be regardless of the eyeball test. We’ll find out Saturday if the winds have finally turned.

 

 

Edited September 23 by catdaddyp

[GP1]

11 hours ago, ewbrooman1 said:

Just so you know 😉, Zips were outscored 151-30 in their 3 big money games. Can't went down 182-24. Let me know when those big payoffs actually pay off. Basically unwatchable football games.

I feel about the same way reading these stats as I do when a baseball announcer tells me about exit velocity. 

[GP1]

49 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

I blame the schedule. We're no where near the class of mid-level P5 teams right now. Those are guaranteed losses...that's why those teams pay us crazy sums of money to pound us.

 

If we'd have played Marshall, Liberty, UAB, etc. we'd have been way more competitive, and way less banged up as we roll into Athens on Saturday.

 

How has BGSU seemingly leapfrogged us, when we ran them off the field only a couple years ago? How has EMU begun fielding watchable teams after decades of wallowing in the lower-MAC abyss? Those are the questions I'd like to see answered if we finish 2024 with only 2 or 3 wins. There is obviously a method to being competitive in the MAC even if you recently sucked. And it isn't just the head coach, it is the entire organization. The AD get's no free pass because we were bad before he arrived, or the stadium and practice facilities are too nice.

 

I want to see this Zips team against MAC competition. I still like our defense, and I know if Finley isn't getting snowed under he's a good QB. I HOPE our OL fares better against competition more within their weight class. I HOPE Joe calls a more diverse, aggressive offensive game when he actually has a chance to win, and isn't just hoping to survive.

 

We'll see...

Good post. It's very simple. Akron has made a choice to lose in favor of money. Failure is the easiest possible choice. I can't imagine an easier choice for the AD a few months back than signing the contract to play OSU in lieu of scheduling a more winnable game. The players are not robots. They are at least smart enough to get into college and most will graduate. They understand what goes on around them. They are friends with and stay in touch with players at other schools. High school coaches know what is going on at Akron. There are no secrets. It has to be demoralizing beyond belief for the players/coaches to go to practice/work every day knowing the institution you attend/work for us conspiring against your success. 

 

Success is hard. It starts with a choice to be successful. JFK specifically used the word "choose". 

 

 

[kreed5120]

4 hours ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

 

How has BGSU seemingly leapfrogged us, when we ran them off the field only a couple years ago? How has EMU begun fielding watchable teams after decades of wallowing in the lower-MAC abyss? Those are the questions I'd like to see answered if we finish 2024 with only 2 or 3 wins. There is obviously a method to being competitive in the MAC even if you recently sucked. And it isn't just the head coach, it is the entire organization. The AD get's no free pass because we were bad before he arrived, or the stadium and practice facilities are too nice.

Kent briefly became relevant under Lewis. EMU became relevant under Creighton. Leipold made Buffalo relevant. The right head coach is vitally important in the college game as he wears two hats. He functions as both the head coach and the GM.

 

I wouldn't say the right head coach is the only thing that matters, but it's what's most important. I wouldn't be willing to give up on Moorhead if we finish with ~3 wins this year, but he certainly should enter season 4 on the hot seat if that's the case.

Edited September 23 by kreed5120

[kreed5120]

3 hours ago, catdaddyp said:

Regardless of their perceived standing this year, neither Rutgers or South Carolina have lost to a G5 team under their current head coaches. Yes, there have been some close games, but no losses. Keep in mind, the same “mid-tier” South Carolina program walloped #5 Tennessee just two years ago. That was the same year Tennessee beat us 63-6. 

 

Like I’ve said before, losing creates apathy. To some the “eyeball test” is important and we clearly have not met the eyeball test for a full 4 quarters against anyone on our schedule this year. It’s interesting that some are quick to point to close losses by other teams and infer they are competitive, yet when this program loses 10 one score games in two years, it’s nothing more than losses and the program isn’t competitive.

 

Perhaps this team doesn’t win much more, or maybe, they come out and surprise everyone in conference play? I don’t know, but we won’t find out until the games are played. We’re 1-3, which is right where this team should be regardless of the eyeball test. We’ll find out Saturday if the winds have finally turned.

 

 

I'm younger than most posters here. Even the Charlie Frye Zips teams were before my time as a fan so my Zips football fandom has been bleak. That said, two of my more fond Zips football fan moments were beating Northwestern and going to the Big House and nearly knocking off Michigan. I still claim the refs blew the call by not calling the jersey grab by the Michigan defender. 

 

You seem to be more optimistic than me. I feel we would be 1-3 regardless of who we played this year, unless we were able to schedule multiple FCS schools. That's not to say I want to schedule 3 P4 a year in perpetuity. I do however like having 1-2 of them on the schedule that way it has opportunities to create those moments. Preferably against programs like Northwestern, Indiana, and yes Rutgers. Avoiding the OSU, Alabama, and Oregon's of the world.

 

What's made me grow apathetic to the football program is all the 0-3 win seasons in conference play. You can go 1-3 OOC and still make a bowl game game by going 5-3 in MAC play. The MAC looks like it might be better this season, but it had previously been historically bad. The MAC East was probably the weakest division in all of college football. We've had plenty of opportunities to pad our win total in conference play, but failed to capitalize.

[Lee Adams]

5 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

So many people seem to blame the schedule. South Carolina and Rutgers have been bottom to mid-tier P5 programs in their respective conferences for the last decade or so. Even if we swap them out for a game against App State, Marshall, or Western Kentucky, I have little faith that we would be better than the 1-3 record we are currently. 

More competitive though.

[GP1]

3 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

I wouldn't say the right head coach is the only thing that matters, but it's what's most important. 

I think you are right and would like to add. I would say coaching is 1A and the coach bringing in a QB for his system in year one is 1B. The QB attracts skilled players that best fit the new coaches system. It allows the coach to better create his own program. 

 

I've said it for a couple of years here and I'll say it again. Moorheads biggest mistake is not bringing in his guy on day one and then living and dying with that guy. Colorado is a way better program than before Sanders. They are relevant, exciting and generally competitive.