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[Captain Kangaroo]

4 minutes ago, akronzips71 said:

 

When you are looking for a job, the name of the school on the sheepskin matters.

LSU is better known than Akron. Princeton, Harvard, tOSU, all better in the job market.

Robert Morris, not so much.

 

Maybe some of you guys never got out of NEO, but in the rest of the world UA is pretty unknown.

I take into account the quality of the education. You want a nice name on your diploma.

 

To each his own.

[MDZip]

I think I've told this story before but maybe it bears repeating. Got my undergrad in computer science from Akron. Went to grad school at Johns Hopkins (fully admit at least partly because of the name). Its not completely a fair comparison because I was going part time in the evenings. I think Hopkins is a great school but I will tell you Akron blew Hopkins program away. I will also say that the name on the diploma might matter a little when you're looking for a job but once you're in a job, performance way overshadows background for what's important.

[akronzips71]

18 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

I take into account the quality of the education. You want a nice name on your diploma.

 

To each his own.

 

Athletics has everything to do with the value of the name on the sheepskin. Schools that have dominated sports, like LSU in the old days, OSU, Indiana, Louisville, UCLA etc have name recognition. Employers will jump all over a Notre Dame grad, long before they will consider someone from Akron, Youngstown, CSU etc.

"Quality of education" is hard to measure. Does one get the same quality at Akron as at Princeton? Quite possibly.

But perception is everything. Princeton is Ivy League. Akron is Akron.

 

Just saying, a person being offered a grad degree on scholarship might well opt for the name recognition on the degree before the quality of the current BB team.

[akronzips71]

10 minutes ago, MDZip said:

I think I've told this story before but maybe it bears repeating. Got my undergrad in computer science from Akron. Went to grad school at Johns Hopkins (fully admit at least partly because of the name). Its not completely a fair comparison because I was going part time in the evenings. I think Hopkins is a great school but I will tell you Akron blew Hopkins program away. I will also say that the name on the diploma might matter a little when you're looking for a job but once you're in a job, performance way overshadows background for what's important.

 

You gotta get hired first. Name Brand grads have an easier time finding jobs.

And Johns Hopkins is a big deal on a resume, which you already know.

 

[Zip Watcher]

17 minutes ago, akronzips71 said:

 

Athletics has everything to do with the value of the name on the sheepskin. Schools that have dominated sports, like LSU in the old days, OSU, Indiana, Louisville, UCLA etc have name recognition. Employers will jump all over a Notre Dame grad, long before they will consider someone from Akron, Youngstown, CSU etc.

"Quality of education" is hard to measure. Does one get the same quality at Akron as at Princeton? Quite possibly.

But perception is everything. Princeton is Ivy League. Akron is Akron.

 

Just saying, a person being offered a grad degree on scholarship might well opt for the name recognition on the degree before the quality of the current BB team.

 

Sorry, but I think this is rubbish.  *Maybe* those names will matter the first time a hiring manager is hiring someone.  After that, they'll quickly learn / understand the institution name on the sheepskin has diddly squat to do with the profitability, productivity, whatever of the division they've hired for.  The characteristics of the individual whose name is on the sheepskin drive everything after the first interview.

 

To say nothing that your 2 arguments are conflicting.  Are people jumping on the Princeton grad because in 1996 at the Hoosier Dome, Pete Carrill's team ended Jim Harrick's UCLA team's hopes of defending its NCAA title?  

 

I can only speak from experience specific to the technical / engineering side of things, but I can promise you I only made what I call the "Case Mistake" one time.  Sure, it might be more regional, but I'm certain that managers hiring engineers know the value of UA sheepskin and how much it can add to their organization.  Their perception of UA isn't a static thing based on who was in the tournament when they were in college.  It's a living evolving perception formed from the pure performance of the members of their organization.

 

N.B.: I write this as someone who never took a class at UA and holds degrees from 2 schools who *are* on all the lists.  Those of you carrying a UA degree have no reason to be self conscious about it.  I promise you those of us that work with you don't give a squat about it.  It's another example of NEOH defeatism.  Own it, be proud of it.

 

 

Go Zips!

 

[Zipgrad01]

41 minutes ago, Zip Watcher said:

 

Sorry, but I think this is rubbish.  *Maybe* those names will matter the first time a hiring manager is hiring someone.  After that, they'll quickly learn / understand the institution name on the sheepskin has diddly squat to do with the profitability, productivity, whatever of the division they've hired for.  The characteristics of the individual whose name is on the sheepskin drive everything after the first interview.

 

To say nothing that your 2 arguments are conflicting.  Are people jumping on the Princeton grad because in 1996 at the Hoosier Dome, Pete Carrill's team ended Jim Harrick's UCLA team's hopes of defending its NCAA title?  

 

I can only speak from experience specific to the technical / engineering side of things, but I can promise you I only made what I call the "Case Mistake" one time.  Sure, it might be more regional, but I'm certain that managers hiring engineers know the value of UA sheepskin and how much it can add to their organization.  Their perception of UA isn't a static thing based on who was in the tournament when they were in college.  It's a living evolving perception formed from the pure performance of the members of their organization.

 

N.B.: I write this as someone who never took a class at UA and holds degrees from 2 schools who *are* on all the lists.  Those of you carrying a UA degree have no reason to be self conscious about it.  I promise you those of us that work with you don't give a squat about it.  It's another example of NEOH defeatism.  Own it, be proud of it.

 

 

Go Zips!

 

You are 100% correct. I work in the aerospace industry and we go through a lot of engineers. Quite a few of the upper managers were old Case engineers, so they preferred to hire Case grads. We also hired engineers from Cincy, OSU, etc... It wasn't long before 50+% of our retained engineering team were UA graduates because in real world manufacturing applications our graduates blew them away. A degree from UA at our company (which is owned by Warren Buffet) gets your name to the top of the pile. 

[Blue & Gold]

1 hour ago, akronzips71 said:

Maybe some of you guys never got out of NEO, but in the rest of the world UA is pretty unknown.

Not true.  Friends in San Francisco & San Diego.  Companies often recruit UA grads.

[skip-zip]

As I look back now many, many decades later, I often wonder who's responsible for creating these impressions among 16 year old kids that they will have so much more of an advantage in their careers by having a degree that will cost them $100,000 more than the "public institution" nearby.  The same goes for grade point averages making someone so much better than someone else.  I look so much more at so many other attributes in evaluating people.   

[72 Roo]

On March 27, 2017 at 10:24 PM, UAZip0510 said:

 

Obviously a slow day so I'll offer this. Most, if not all, of us do not know just how good the education is at Akron. I work with the College of Business Administration and the Fisher Sales Institute in preparing our students for sales competitions. Teams are sent to NIU and Kennesaw (sp ?) State, two nationally highly regarded sales competitions. We are regarded as one of the giants in these competitions. Our students are so well prepared that companies go to these competitions and offer career jobs on the spot to our students. It is not uncommon for each Akron student to come back with a job offer. The training Akron students get is outstanding, better than the training my own company gave its sales recruits. Take a little pride in our school. There are more examples of excellence than we can ever know.

 

Now how about Boals ability to recruit or where we will place any arena?    

[LZIp]

Seems relevant: http://snip.ly/ofen0#http://www.uakron.edu/im/news/mba-program-at-the-university-of-akron-scores-in-elite-ranking/

[kreed5120]

19 minutes ago, 72 Roo said:

Obviously a slow day so I'll offer this. Most, if not all, of us do not know just how good the education is at Akron. I work with the College of Business Administration and the Fisher Sales Institute in preparing our students for sales competitions. Teams are sent to NIU and Kennesaw (sp ?) State, two nationally highly regarded sales competitions. We are regarded as one of the giants in these competitions. Our students are so well prepared that companies go to these competitions and offer career jobs on the spot to our students. It is not uncommon for each Akron student to come back with a job offer. The training Akron students get is outstanding, better than the training my own company gave its sales recruits. Take a little pride in our school. There are more examples of excellence than we can ever know.

 

Now how about Boals ability to recruit or where we will place any arena?    

 

I'm a big fan of placing it over top Lee Jackson Field since we aren't getting a baseball team back anytime soon http://rs279.pbsrc.com/albums/kk143/faeini1/stirthepot.gif~c200

 

Edit: I fail at embedding

Edited April 11, 2017 by kreed5120

[VAZip]

5 hours ago, akronzips71 said:

Would you rather have a graduate degree from LSU or the University of Akron?

Can someone help me understand how a D1 athlete with a demanding practice and game schedule is able to get their bachelors in 3 yrs. Especially when the 4 yr grad rate at Akron is 15.6% and the 6 yr grad rate is 46.2%. I'm going to call BS on these degrees unless someone tells me Akron gets not only great athletes but great thinkers also. I'm sure this is not a Akron specific phenomenon. 

[kangaroo kid]

4 minutes ago, VAZip said:

Can someone help me understand how a D1 athlete with a demanding practice and game schedule is able to get their bachelors in 3 yrs. Especially when the 4 yr grad rate at Akron is 15.6% and the 6 yr grad rate is 46.2%. I'm going to call BS on these degrees unless someone tells me Akron gets not only great athletes but great thinkers also. I'm sure this is not a Akron specific phenomenon. 

players typically take courses over the summer to keep their workload during the season down. some players will go "full-time" over the summer, which would make it possible to graduate in 3 years.

[LZIp]

9 minutes ago, kangaroo kid said:

players typically take courses over the summer to keep their workload during the season down. some players will go "full-time" over the summer, which would make it possible to graduate in 3 years.

We have a winner!

[morris buttermaker]

An athlete graduating in 3yrs, with summer school is very realistic....what's mind blowing is the athletes that don't get it done in 4 yrs....or more.

Edited April 11, 2017 by morris buttermaker

[MDZip]

4 hours ago, akronzips71 said:

 

You gotta get hired first. Name Brand grads have an easier time finding jobs.

And Johns Hopkins is a big deal on a resume, which you already know.

 

Already had a job by then. My employer paid for my masters.

[skip-zip]

56 minutes ago, kangaroo kid said:

players typically take courses over the summer to keep their workload during the season down. some players will go "full-time" over the summer, which would make it possible to graduate in 3 years.

 

They're usually here to train all summer, so why not be taking classes?

[akronzips71]

2 hours ago, VAZip said:

Can someone help me understand how a D1 athlete with a demanding practice and game schedule is able to get their bachelors in 3 yrs. Especially when the 4 yr grad rate at Akron is 15.6% and the 6 yr grad rate is 46.2%. I'm going to call BS on these degrees unless someone tells me Akron gets not only great athletes but great thinkers also. I'm sure this is not a Akron specific phenomenon. 

 

Back in the day the grad rate was much higher. Because if you could not get it done in 4 you finished up at the University of Saigon.

[akronzips71]

3 hours ago, 72 Roo said:

Obviously a slow day so I'll offer this. Most, if not all, of us do not know just how good the education is at Akron. I work with the College of Business Administration and the Fisher Sales Institute in preparing our students for sales competitions. Teams are sent to NIU and Kennesaw (sp ?) State, two nationally highly regarded sales competitions. We are regarded as one of the giants in these competitions. Our students are so well prepared that companies go to these competitions and offer career jobs on the spot to our students. It is not uncommon for each Akron student to come back with a job offer. The training Akron students get is outstanding, better than the training my own company gave its sales recruits. Take a little pride in our school. There are more examples of excellence than we can ever know.

 

Now how about Boals ability to recruit or where we will place any arena?    

 

My sheepskin says University of Akron. This is not about pride. The name of the school does make a difference. Most SCOTUS Judges have Harvard Law degrees, NOT Akron Law. If you want to be a Judge in NYC, you mostly need a law degree from St. Johns, along with a big hook. An MBA from the Wharton School of Business carries a lot more weight than an MBA from Akron or Kent or even OSU. It matters. That is all I am saying. If a player has graduated and can get a free ride for a Masters degree, the name of the school matters more than how good the hoops team is that year. Most 5-11 players are not going to the NBA, and even pro opportunities in Europe are probably fleeting. Eventually he will need to get a job.

 

And not everyone has an engineering degree. I am talking in generalities. Business, Political Science etc. The name of the school matters.

[GJGood]

38 minutes ago, akronzips71 said:

 

My sheepskin says University of Akron. This is not about pride. The name of the school does make a difference. Most SCOTUS Judges have Harvard Law degrees, NOT Akron Law. If you want to be a Judge in NYC, you mostly need a law degree from St. Johns, along with a big hook. An MBA from the Wharton School of Business carries a lot more weight than an MBA from Akron or Kent or even OSU. It matters. That is all I am saying. If a player has graduated and can get a free ride for a Masters degree, the name of the school matters more than how good the hoops team is that year. Most 5-11 players are not going to the NBA, and even pro opportunities in Europe are probably fleeting. Eventually he will need to get a job.

 

And not everyone has an engineering degree. I am talking in generalities. Business, Political Science etc. The name of the school matters.

..  I agree that the name CAN make a significant difference but is a degree from LSU really more presigious than one from Akron in most fields? I'd say it depends on the course of study and then what region of the country you are in.

[clarkwgriswold]

We've clearly passed over into "who gives a $h!+" mode.

[Z.I.P.]

7 hours ago, skip-zip said:

 

I guess that's another possible factor.  I didn't realize that they two cities are only about 4 hours apart.

 

On the other hand, would he have come to Akron if distance was an issue? 

Damn!  Only time I took a trip like that was from USAF Basic Training (Lackland AFB, TX) to Tech School (Keesler AFB, MS), and it was under 8 hours, with lunch stop in Baton Rouge.  And the next day, had to march in a Mardi Gras parade in Charley Spikes' hometown, Bogalusa, LA. 

As far as "distance" goes, I think Akron was the nearest site of a D1 scholly for Antino.  Seems like he has vastly improved his marketability in 3 years!

[K92]

6 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

We've clearly passed over into "who gives a $h!+" mode.

Yes it has but I'm chiming in.  There is no difference between a degree from Akron and a degree from LSU.  Zero.  What is LSU known for other than sports?  Groundbreaking crawfish research?

[NWAkron]

Comparing LSU to Akron is like comparing Noah to Antino?

[akronzips71]

33 minutes ago, GJGood said:

..  I agree that the name CAN make a significant difference but is a degree from LSU really more presigious than one from Akron in most fields? I'd say it depends on the course of study and then what region of the country you are in.

 

I was simply making the point that if he can get an offer from a "name brand" school for his Masters, it would be a good career move. Not necessarily LSU.