No Bowling This Year.

[dre22era]

We are not relevant enough to be targeted as a hit job in the media. 

Ain't no journalist thinking about a 8-28 program in 4 years ten people come to watch at home. 

Only folks who care about us right now are Bookies and Gamblers. 

[Let'sGoZips94]

38 minutes ago, dre22era said:

We are not relevant enough to be targeted as a hit job in the media. 

Ain't no journalist thinking about a 8-28 program in 4 years ten people come to watch at home. 

Only folks who care about us right now are Bookies and Gamblers. 

 

I never said the hit job was by the media. This was leaked by someone to Reddit, then the media ran with it and piled on. That someone targeted Akron by leaking the APR numbers and potentially false ones at that (they differ from the ABJ's numbers if I'm not mistaken). 

[Hilltopper]

1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

I never said the hit job was by the media. This was leaked by someone to Reddit, then the media ran with it and piled on. That someone targeted Akron by leaking the APR numbers and potentially false ones at that (they differ from the ABJ's numbers if I'm not mistaken). 

You're over thinking this. There is no conspiracy. The information is out there for anybody to see.

[GP1]

You have to admit, it is nice to know Akron can do the impossible. In the NIL era, the NCAA wants academics to take, not just a back seat, but a seat in the U-Haul trailer being towed behind the bus. Somebody at the NCAA once though about how they could make the metrics so easy to achieve, it would be impossible for anyone to fall below the lowest standard. Akron said, "Hold my beer".

Edited Saturday at 11:30 AM by GP1

[Let'sGoZips94]

25 minutes ago, Hilltopper said:

You're over thinking this. There is no conspiracy. The information is out there for anybody to see.

 

Just found the database; did not realize that existed. The way it was being spread on X, there were comments it was leaked. 

 

Are the scores for the individual years public? Or just the multi year? 

[pdt1420]

26 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

Just found the database; did not realize that existed. The way it was being spread on X, there were comments it was leaked. 

 

Are the scores for the individual years public? Or just the multi year? 

I looked at the coaches section which showed yearly results. The worst year (880) was the transition year that shows as Arth+Joe. Not sure where to assign that, especially if changing coaches causes some guys to quit school. 

[ZipsBBjunkie]

8 hours ago, pdt1420 said:

I looked at the coaches section which showed yearly results. The worst year (880) was the transition year that shows as Arth+Joe. Not sure where to assign that, especially if changing coaches causes some guys to quit school. 

This is where my curiosity is centered as well because that’s the year that tumbled the entire average - you had guys on the Arth roster like Teon Dollard who after the gun incident I don’t believe ever played another down of football even though UA kept trying to give him a chance to remain in school? I don’t know. How many defectors would it have taken that first season to cause the 880 and what could have been done differently at the outset to course correct even slightly to get over the minimum? Hindsight is 20/20 but who knows if this staff would have done anything differently as I’m told there is a through the roof level of stubbornness at the core of Moorhead’s program. 

[GP1]

I'm going to try and care about this for a minute. Does this rule apply to scholarship and non-scholarship players?

[Ham]

Kreed, thanks for doing the leg work.  If I had a boss use this type of formula to evaluate my performance, I would look for another job.  I couldn't work for someone that stupid!

 

I was thinking about the injured player that was not interested in playing school.  What about the many players that enter the portal and don't land anywhere?  

[GP1]

3 minutes ago, Ham said:

Kreed, thanks for doing the leg work.  If I had a boss use this type of formula to evaluate my performance, I would look for another job.  I couldn't work for someone that stupid!

 

I was thinking about the injured player that was not interested in playing school.  What about the many players that enter the portal and don't land anywhere?  

I like what I think you are thinking. If it's just about reaching a data point, then manipulate the data that creates the point. How would a school go about doing that?

[exit322]

53 minutes ago, GP1 said:

I'm going to try and care about this for a minute. Does this rule apply to scholarship and non-scholarship players?

I believe it only applies to scholarship athletes.

[zippy5]

45 minutes ago, GP1 said:

I like what I think you are thinking. If it's just about reaching a data point, then manipulate the data that creates the point. How would a school go about doing that?

The same way the other 120+ schools figured out how to do it

[GP1]

It seems to me that meeting the NCAA standard shouldn't be very difficult. So, how could the stats be manipulated. 

 

First, I don't believe it requires 85 players for a good college football team. If NFL teams can get by with 48 dressed for a game, so should everyone else. In reality, 65 players is enough yet we are allowed 85. 

 

Second, we are only a few students away from getting over this extremely low bar. It's only a matter of numerical manipulation. 

 

Akron should save 5-10 scholarships for what we could call "ringers". The ringers could have full football scholarships and be on the team. These ringers would also be very smart students well on their way to graduation. These ringers would all unfortunately have season ending injuries on the first day of training camp every year.  It would be as if they never came to camp at all. Get well soon guys. See you next fall. The ringers could also help their teammates who are in need of some academic support. Give them all varsity jackets. Heck, if they kept the program out of probation, it would be a well earned varsity jacket. 

 

The athletic department could pick up what is covered through scholarships. They could use whatever academic scholarships they probably have for general living expenses, fun or whatever. 

 

This really isn't very difficult. 

Edited Saturday at 06:05 PM by GP1

[kreed5120]

5 hours ago, Ham said:

 

What about the many players that enter the portal and don't land anywhere?  

I assumed those were the players @Hilltopper made mention to that the administration told them theh could come back and get an education for free. That was Akron's attempt to mitigate the issue.

[kreed5120]

5 hours ago, GP1 said:

I'm going to try and care about this for a minute. Does this rule apply to scholarship and non-scholarship players?

Only scholarship athletes.

[kreed5120]

2 hours ago, GP1 said:

It seems to me that meeting the NCAA standard shouldn't be very difficult. So, how could the stats be manipulated. 

 

First, I don't believe it requires 85 players for a good college football team. If NFL teams can get by with 48 dressed for a game, so should everyone else. In reality, 65 players is enough yet we are allowed 85. 

 

Second, we are only a few students away from getting over this extremely low bar. It's only a matter of numerical manipulation. 

 

Akron should save 5-10 scholarships for what we could call "ringers". The ringers could have full football scholarships and be on the team. These ringers would also be very smart students well on their way to graduation. These ringers would all unfortunately have season ending injuries on the first day of training camp every year.  It would be as if they never came to camp at all. Get well soon guys. See you next fall. The ringers could also help their teammates who are in need of some academic support. Give them all varsity jackets. Heck, if they kept the program out of probation, it would be a well earned varsity jacket. 

 

The athletic department could pick up what is covered through scholarships. They could use whatever academic scholarships they probably have for general living expenses, fun or whatever. 

 

This really isn't very difficult. 

 

These ringers you speak of don't have to be non players. Just fill out the roster with guys who did well in school, but were maybe a few inches too short or a step too slow. It's not like all HS players are stereotypical jocks. Those guys can still contribute on special teams or in practice.

 

I think the bigger problem is we just brought in too many JUCO or players that got by in high school because the school wanted them to play football on Fridays.

Edited Saturday at 06:21 PM by kreed5120

[GP1]

12 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

 

These ringers you speak of don't have to be non players. Just fill out the roster with guys who did well in school, but were maybe a few inches too short or a step too slow. It's not like all HS players are stereotypical jocks. Those guys can still contribute on special teams or in practice.

I want 5-10 guys with extremely high GPAs, SAT scores and no illusions that they could actually play given the chance which could lead to a transfer. The other 75-80 players can contribute on the field. Let's not make this extremely easy solution something that will one day blow up in our faces. No room for failure. 

[MarkWiley]

2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

 

These ringers you speak of don't have to be non players. Just fill out the roster with guys who did well in school, but were maybe a few inches too short or a step too slow. It's not like all HS players are stereotypical jocks. Those guys can still contribute on special teams or in practice.

 

I think the bigger problem is we just brought in too many JUCO or players that got by in high school because the school wanted them to play football on Fridays.

This is what backup specialists are for!

[GP1]

5 hours ago, MarkWiley said:

This is what backup specialists are for!

Showing up for practice is too much work. Just give some guys scholarships to get good grades. This really isn't hard. 

[Ham]

GP1, ringers are not needed.  It's not just Akron.  Look at what most of the "scholar" athletes list as their major.  Grades are not a problem when assistant coaches teach the classes.  With this formula, it only takes a handful of players that are not cutting it on the field to bail and screw the whole team.  

[GP1]

53 minutes ago, Ham said:

GP1, ringers are not needed.  It's not just Akron.  Look at what most of the "scholar" athletes list as their major.  Grades are not a problem when assistant coaches teach the classes.  With this formula, it only takes a handful of players that are not cutting it on the field to bail and screw the whole team.  

Eliminate that handful and replace them with a handful of ringers. 

[GP1]

The one thing we have learned during the NIL era is the NCAA is easily defeatable in courts. Hire Thomas Mars to file a case against the NCAA.  The case could argue the punishment prohibits a player from displaying their talents in a way that limits their freedom to promote themselves. It could come from a player who was meeting academic standards. 

[catdaddyp]

1 hour ago, GP1 said:

The one thing we have learned during the NIL era is the NCAA is easily defeatable in courts. Hire Thomas Mars to file a case against the NCAA.  The case could argue the punishment prohibits a player from displaying their talents in a way that limits their freedom to promote themselves. It could come from a player who was meeting academic standards. 

Yep, this will likely end up being a big hoopla about nothing. APR became an archaic measurement once courts ruled in favor of NIL and NCAA basically allowed unlimited transfers.

Edited Sunday at 03:40 PM by catdaddyp

[clarkwgriswold]

Certainly one would hope that someone would expend the money and effort to challenge the NCAA and preserve the Zips ability to play in the GameAbove Bowl.

[GP1]

22 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

Certainly one would hope that someone would expend the money and effort to challenge the NCAA and preserve the Zips ability to play in the GameAbove Bowl.

The NCAA loses a lot anymore. My guess is we could make it an initiative for the law school.