Game Number One: Wyoming

[GP1]

7 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

They do give them away for free to students and they still don't show. That alone speaks to the quality of the product.

Actually, the student fees largely support athletics, so they a paying. 

 

Think of the students non participation like this. You are forced to buy a gallon of milk because you need a cup of it to make something and milk at your store is only sold in gallon sizes. You make the dish requiring a cup of milk and put the reminder in the refrigerator. After a while, the remainder of the gallon of milk spoils in the back of your refrigerator. You have two choices: 

1. Drink the milk and get sick.

2. Pour the milk down the drain and write off the loss. 

 

The students are pouring the milk down the drain. 

[GP1]

1 hour ago, WeRise225 said:

Should’ve built a new basketball arena in 2009 instead. 

We should have hired Jim Grobe to supervise the construction. 

Edited 2 hours ago by GP1

[Let'sGoZips94]

57 minutes ago, ZipCat said:

 

Unfortunately, this is not true. We've definitely watched waaaaaaay worse than this.

 

No, in my opinion, this was the most embarrassing for me. We're in year 4 of a highly paid, highly touted offensive minded HC. We're banned from postseason play because an archaic and apparently subjective NCAA academic standard. We have a very, VERY favorable schedule that should('ve) allowed us a chance to push the NCAA to drop the punishment, and we come out against a really bad Wyoming team and put up 0 points. 0. We scored vs Ohio State last year and can't score vs Wyoming this year. Unbelievably pathetic and embarrassing. 

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, ZipCat said:

 

Well, no. Students actually pay for this crap product. Those "free" tickets are paid for by their student-fees. I've done breakdowns of this in the past for people, but the majority of the "student fee" supports athletics, and THAT is actually why students "get in for free", because they've already paid for it...

 

If you ever look up financials on the Athletics budget, the Atheltics department is mostly funded by a "subsidy" which is...student fees.

Yes, I understand that, but it doesn't cost them anything additional to get into the game. The students pay those student fees regardless if they show up or not.

[kreed5120]

43 minutes ago, GP1 said:

Actually, the student fees largely support athletics, so they a paying. 

 

Think of the students non participation like this. You are forced to buy a gallon of milk because you need a cup of it to make something and milk at your store is only sold in gallon sizes. You make the dish requiring a cup of milk and put the reminder in the refrigerator. After a while, the remainder of the gallon of milk spoils in the back of your refrigerator. You have two choices: 

1. Drink the milk and get sick.

2. Pour the milk down the drain and write off the loss. 

 

The students are pouring the milk down the drain. 

Yes, I understand they pay the student fees. I'm more saying there is no additional cost for them to show up and attend the game. Perhaps I could have worded it better.

[GP1]

I always say the athletic department should benefit the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Akron. 

 

Regardless of outcome, did the athletic department do all it could last night to benefit these five groups?

Edited 2 hours ago by GP1

[GP1]

1 minute ago, kreed5120 said:

Yes, I understand they pay the student fees. I'm more saying there is no additional cost for them to show up and attend the game. Perhaps I could have worded it better.

I understand, but there are various types of costs. There is the cost of student fees. There are also time considerations. I wasn't there and didn't actually see a play, so I rely on others. Did the university do enough to make a students time spent at the entire event worth it?

[kreed5120]

1 hour ago, ZipCat said:

 

Unfortunately, this is not true. We've definitely watched waaaaaaay worse than this.

 

Crazy how quickly people forgot about losing to a 4-7 FCS school. This wasn't even in the bottom 20 worst loses since I've been a fan. At least this was still a game late in the 4th qtr. I've seen countless Akron games in the past against other G5s that were over by half-time.

[clarkwgriswold]

In today's age of the "haves and have nots" and the continued misery brought on by this program, I think I've heard enough of the "we can't be in the MAC if we don't play FBS football" explanation.

 

Maybe it's time to just blow this damn thing up and figure it out, with an emphasis on concentrating what we're good at (basketball; soccer).  

[GP1]

1 minute ago, kreed5120 said:

 

Crazy how quickly people forgot about losing to a 4-7 FCS school. This wasn't even in the bottom 20 worst loses since I've been a fan. At least this was still a game late in the 4th qtr. I've seen countless Akron games in the past against other G5s that were over by half-time.

They aren't old enough to remember Black Saturday, which was a loss in 1987 to Delaware State, 52-27. We gave up three pick six's and a blocked punt in the end zone for a TD. 

[kreed5120]

3 minutes ago, GP1 said:

I understand, but there are various types of costs. There is the cost of student fees. There are also time considerations. I wasn't there and didn't actually see a play, so I rely on others. Did the university do enough to make a students time spent at the entire event worth it?

 

The cost of time was more what I was hinting at in my original post. The product is so bad that they can't sell it to poor 18-22 year olds that only have to show up to the game to get in. We literally have to bribe them with free tuition giveaways or $2 beers just to make them even mildly interested.

[GP1]

1 minute ago, clarkwgriswold said:

In today's age of the "haves and have nots" and the continued misery brought on by this program, I think I've heard enough of the "we can't be in the MAC if we don't play FBS football" explanation.

 

Maybe it's time to just blow this damn thing up and figure it out, with an emphasis on concentrating what we're good at (basketball; soccer).  

Nihilism is not the answer because it doesn't prove solutions, only destruction. If Akron moved forward without a plan as to what to do about basketball and soccer, those programs would be finished. 

 

Football isn't holding those programs back. They are really good already with a bad football program and will remain so. 

[clarkwgriswold]

Listening to Joe's post-game presser.  Ugh.  SSDD.

[GP1]

4 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

We literally have to bribe them with free tuition giveaways or $2 beers just to make them even mildly interested.

These are called promotions. If the promotions don't work, come up with another promotion. 

 

If I was a student who really needed a tuition waiver, I might not be able to attend a game because I'm at my job because I need money to pay for tuition. The odds of winning the waiver are so low it isn't worth losing my job. 

 

Or, I can't go to the game because I have to study because I don't have much free time because my job that pays my tuition doesn't give me much fee time for fun, if you call what happened last night fun. 

 

The promotion right now needs to be tens of thousands of tickets being given away around NE Ohio just to get 5-10 thousand people willing to watch that crap. 

[kreed5120]

32 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

In today's age of the "haves and have nots" and the continued misery brought on by this program, I think I've heard enough of the "we can't be in the MAC if we don't play FBS football" explanation.

 

Maybe it's time to just blow this damn thing up and figure it out, with an emphasis on concentrating what we're good at (basketball; soccer).  

 

Knowing how Akron operates they will just likely keep throwing more good money after bad.

 

We give Kent sh*t for obvious reasons, but at least their board saw the changes coming to football and had the foresight to give up trying to compete altogether. Instead focusing their attention on other sports like basketball and baseball.

 

Fortunately for us we have Bud heavily involved with basketball. Otherwise our basketball program would likely be decaying from its former glory leaving us with nothing. Akron isn't in a position financially to try to compete in football. A situation that's likely not going to improve considering Cuyahoga, Summit, and Stark County are all projected to lose 15%+ of their population by 2050. Football is where everyone is throwing their money. Basketball provides more bang for the buck and has lower overhead costs.

Edited 2 hours ago by kreed5120

[Hilltopper]

20 minutes ago, GP1 said:

These are called promotions. If the promotions don't work, come up with another promotion. 

 

If I was a student who really needed a tuition waiver, I might not be able to attend a game because I'm at my job because I need money to pay for tuition. The odds of winning the waiver are so low it isn't worth losing my job. 

 

Or, I can't go to the game because I have to study because I don't have much free time because my job that pays my tuition doesn't give me much fee time for fun, if you call what happened last night fun. 

 

The promotion right now needs to be tens of thousands of tickets being given away around NE Ohio just to get 5-10 thousand people willing to watch that crap. 

They have been do that for years. Last year 15,000 free tickets distributed to various organizations. Around 150 redeemed. Joe Akron just doesn't give a crap about UA football. We would draw the same if we were competing against Mount Union and other D3 programs at 1/10th the cost. Figure out how to let soccer and basketball compete at a higher level without pretending we can compete in football. 

[WeRise225]

They need to host concerts at Infocision because having 1,000 people on a good day in there is such a waste. 

[Ham]

Findley is rated the fourth best QB in the MAC. God help those other 9 teams.  Nebraska will be a throw away.  We should treat this like a pre-season game.  We should see at least 3 QB's have a shot.  Just maybe; one will show something under pressure.  I don't mean to put the loss on Findley, but so much more was expected.  If he is going to make mistakes like a true FR, we might as well see them from the back ups.

[dre22era]

The overall product is complete BS. 

Bad team on the field and in the classroom. 

Bad fan in game stadium experience

No merch in the team store 

All around Bad

 

[blueandgold]

Is it basketball season yet?

[zvillezip]

Moorhead has been a great offensive coordinator in the past. That is where his true talent is.  Right now, he is trying to be a head coach and an offensive coordinator.  He can't do both well.  He needs to give up on one or the other for this year.  Give OC responsibilities over to someone else on staff so he can focus on the head coach responsibilities.  

 

He is not made out to be a Head Coach.  He will be a coordinator somewhere else next year.  

 

Coach Tibs has proven to be an effective defensive coordinator.  Really impressive scheme and performance last night.  Perhaps he could be a head coach someday.  

 

Unfortunately, this season is going to be another dumpster fire.  Coaches will leave.  Players will leave.  Recruits will decommit. A new coach will takeover and the dumpster fire will continue.

[exit322]

38 minutes ago, dre22era said:

The overall product is complete BS. 

Bad team on the field and in the classroom. 

Bad fan in game stadium experience

No merch in the team store 

All around Bad

 

The in game experience wasn't special, but I would not call it "bad."

 

Work to do, sure, but it is relatively low IMO on the problems list right now

[blueandgold]

13 minutes ago, zvillezip said:

Moorhead has been a great offensive coordinator in the past. That is where his true talent is.  Right now, he is trying to be a head coach and an offensive coordinator.  He can't do both well.  He needs to give up on one or the other for this year.  Give OC responsibilities over to someone else on staff so he can focus on the head coach responsibilities.  

 

He is not made out to be a Head Coach.  He will be a coordinator somewhere else next year.  

 

Coach Tibs has proven to be an effective defensive coordinator.  Really impressive scheme and performance last night.  Perhaps he could be a head coach someday.  

 

Unfortunately, this season is going to be another dumpster fire.  Coaches will leave.  Players will leave.  Recruits will decommit. A new coach will takeover and the dumpster fire will continue.

Just remember, every coach looks better when their entire roster is 5 star recruits. That has a lot to do with his past success.