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One of these guys might develop into being a pro bowler, but personally I feel this is a pretty weak QB class with no clear cut stud at the top. For any of these guys to succeed I feel they need to be put in a position where they are surrounded by talent and aren't asked to carry the offensive load at a young age. As a Browns fan I'd rather just see them take the best play available with their 6 top 100 picks. Worry about a QB, if it is still a need, the following year when they hopefully have an improved offensive line and some of their young playmakers have developed. The talent pool should hopefully be better than too.

Hopefully we can pull a decent crowd tonight with it being the start of MAC play and Dambrot being in a position to set the Zips all-time wins mark.

The committee's objective is to put the 4 most deserving teams into the playoffs, I feel it is has done that even though you might not think it has. The committee has never come out and said that only conference champs can make it or that early season losses don't matter. Many things go into their decision. The prior 2 years the 4 most deserving teams were the 4 conference champs that made it. This year a non conference declared champ was declared more deserving than 2 other conference champs. An opinion that the vast majority of fans and experts agreed with. Even if we went off of computer numbers and took the human element out of it, OSU would have been declared more deserving than Penn State. That's a point that you have still failed to recognize. We are in year 3 of the selection committee. That's an extremely small sample size. Of course new situations will present themselves.

I actually have agreed with all 12 teams to date that the selection committee has picked. Of course different people weigh certain criteria differently. A 4 team playoff will never achieve what you are hoping that it would. Houston was probably the only G5 team that had any chance of making the playoffs this year and they would have had to run the table and get a lot of help to do it. An 8 team playoff is what it would probably take to open the door up to a WMU. I'd actually support an 8 team playoff, but nothing more than that.

It's pretty obvious this is going to go back and forth. The real divide is one side feels the entire season should matter while the other side feels only conference play should matter. Neither side will change the other sides opinion. I will say I didn't hear anyone claim the system was rigged last year when an 11-1 OSU team was left out of the playoffs... I actually agree with the committee decision for OSU to not be selected last year, but last year there were 4 more deserving teams. This year there weren't. Edit: Can someone clarify so I can understand? Is the playoff committee only rigged in years in which OSU is admitted in, but it's not rigged in years they are left out? I ask because the last 3 years OSU has gone 12-1, 11-1, and 11-1 in the regular season, but according to you guys that should equate to 0 playoff appearances.

And what about Washington who was the team Penn State was actually competing with for that 4th spot?

Those sanctions prevented them from being bowl eligible for 2 years and with the mass exit of transfers plus scholarship penalties they are just now getting back to what they were. The previous 2 seasons when they were permitted to going back to bowls their records were 7-6, and 7-6. No 7-6 team is going to get picked for prominent bowl games. Penn State is also the team that lost TWO games. All the teams ahead of them are P5 teams that lost 1 or fewer games. Had Penn State lost 1 fewer game they'd have made the playoffs simple as that. I'm going to provide you a groundbreaking fact. The regular season consists of TWELVE games (shocking I know) with a potential 13th game for a conference championship. It is not a 9 week season or whatever timeframe you want to make up to fit your agenda. The fact Penn State was the highest rated 2 loss team shows the committee was high on them.

Are you serious? Penn State is a huge name in the college football world. Certainly bigger than that of Clemson and Washington. OSU like it or not was always going to get in because their resume clearly showed they deserved it. If Penn State jumped any of the 1 loss teams it would have been Washington as they played a very weak schedule and were the 4th seed.

What I feel is so great is they keep saying OSU only got in because of its name failing to realize OSU had the 3 seed. Penn State, unlike 4th seeded Washington, is a legit blue blood. They would have attracted more eyeballs and money than Washington. There is no disputing that fact.

The vast majority of teams had 2 or more losses by the time OSU lost their 1st game and the ones that only had 1 loss didn't have wins as good as Wisconsin or Oklahoma. Saturdays results are irrelevant. That data point wasn't available to the selection committee at the time of selection as the event hadn't occurred yet. As I've said before even the old BCS rankings had OSU at #2 at the end of the season. It wasn't just the selection committee high on them, but pretty much every reputable computer poll as well.

You can't use that kind of logic here. You also forgot to mention conference schedules aren't balanced. OSU crossover games that went into their 8-1 division record featured Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Northwesten. Penn State got doormat Purdue, Iowa, and Minnesota.

It was only a 5 point game up until the final minute when Creighton started to foul. Nova was the better team, but Creighton still looked pretty good.

That prediction is too vague. It leaves the door open for another MAC team such as; Buffalo, OU, or CMU to beat us.

So I suppose it was the 4th game of the year instead of the 5th or 6th that I initially thought it was. I'd hardly call that distorting the facts. It's still 2 losses so therefore isn't even comparable to a single loss. I post on an Akron board and by all definition am an Akron booster so I think that tells you where my loyalty lies. We get pee poor coverage by our local media. There is no disputing that fact. I feel you are taking the wrong angle on this "competing for fans" issue. We shouldn't be trying to make people choose between Akron and OSU and pushing away anyone that doesn't choose Akron. That isn't a battle we can win. What we should be doing is getting people that are fans of OSU to also become fans of Akron.

I'm not too concerned about Dambrot being able to find enough minutes for both Parrish and Willie. By the time Willie is eligible, Antino/Noah will only have a semester of eligibility left. Eventually Ivey can slide to the 2, softening the blow of us losing 2 starting guards in the same year. From there we would have Parrish/Willie splitting the SF minutes and Willie also playing ~10 minutes per game in the post. We certainly could use the depth and versatility he'd provide us at the 3/4 positions.

Penn State also got slaughtered by UM midseason so its not just like they lost 1 early season game and that was it as was the case the year OSU lost to VT. They could have lost to Pitt or UM. The problem was they lost to both. At the end of the day OSU went through the regular season playing potentially the toughest, or at least 1 of the toughest schedules in NCAAF, and lost 1 game on a blocked fg on the road in a hostile environment. A more credible loss than either of Penn State's losses. Penn State played a less challenging schedule and came away with 2 losses. 1 in which they were boat raced vs. Michigan and another where they lost to a good, but not great Pitt team. Personally I feel the OSU/TCU/Baylor year was a much tighter race as all 3 teams had 1 loss. OSU pretty much had to beat Wisconsin by what they did. Had they won a close game, they wouldn't have gotten in. OSU getting in over Penn State this year was pretty much a no brainer IMO and the slection committee, old bcs rankings, and pretty much every relevant poll/computer ranking agree with those findings. I guess we must all be biased.

You liked a post that said they should use BCS rankings to select playoff teams. OSU would have been the #2 rated team by the BCS metrics. Any objective person would see their resume was better than Penn State. Of course by your many responses on this board you have shown the inability to ever be objective with anything OSU related. You let your hatred and envy cloud your judgement. I'm not the one that brought OSU into this discussion. It was you and Balsy. I just call people out on bullshit as I see it. If you want to constantly post stuff shitting on OSU like I've seen you do for the 2 or so years that I've been an active member here, I'm sure there is a board that would love you that was created by someone 3 hours NW of here. OSU has never been Akron's rival and will never be Akron's rival so IDK why you feel the constant need to bring them up.

You mean that same Michigan team that slaughtered Penn State by 39 points?...

It's not comparable whatsoever. OSU was 12-1 to Baylor/TCU 11-1. Had OSU went 11-2 that year like Penn State did this year, OSU wouldn't have went. Penn State got slaughtered by a team OSU defeated. Pitt beat Penn State so by your logic Pitt is better Penn State. Back to my point OSU this year played a tougher SOS and finished with a better record playing it. Any argument should start and end with that point.

Funny you should mention that. The BCS would have had the same 4 teams making the playoffs... https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/12/6/13853430/bcs-college-football-playoff-2016 http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/

Your entire rationale pretty much says OOC play doesn't matter. At the end of the day Penn State lost to Pitt in the regular season while OSU beat an even better Oklahoma. Throw rankings aside and OSU still played a significantly better SOS by every metric and finished with a better winning % while playing it. Had Penn State beat Pitt and they were 12-1 to OSU 11-1 I'd agree with you.

Once again I'm no medical expert, but it reportedly happened near the end of the game. From my experiences with bruises they get worse with time. I got what I'm guessing was bruised ribs (never actually went to the hospital) 2-3 years ago playing pickup basketball. I was sore, but I was able to continue playing for another 30 minutes or so u til we all packed up and left. A few hours later and the next day it was a bitch to deal with and I had a giant black and blue circle on my side. Zipsoutsider I'm aware of tendinitis, but didn't actually correlate it is something that he could have actually contracted during the recovery phase of trying to get back on the field. An interesting point of view.

From what some people in the know said on this forum, I was under the impression Woodson's injury was a bone bruise to his shoulder that caused him a discomfort throwing which impacted his accuracy. I'm not going to try to be a medical expert, but that sounds like something that would heal with rest.

The problem with a G5 playoff is what if there is a year where all the right cards fall into place and a G5 is actually in the discussion for a playoff spot? I believe Boise State finished 4th 1 year under the old BCS system and had Houston run the table this year with wins over Oklahoma and Louisville, they would have at the very least been finished #6, ahead of Oklahoma. Personally I'd guess they would have finish 5th, just a tad behind Washington. We might only get a G5 champion to be a serious playoff contender once every decade or so and we might not ever see a G5 make the playoffs, but the possibility, however slim, exists for an AAC team. The MAC, Sun Belt, and C-USA pretty much have no shot ever. This is why you'd never see the AAC jump on board with this. They are trying to distance themselves from the other G5 in hopes that it will provide them more legitimacy in the future. Can't imagine Boise State of the MW would be for this either.

OSU went 3-1 vs. the top 8 and beat I believe beat 5 top 25 teams. No team in college football had more top 10 or top 25 wins. I get there is a lot of hate in this forum against OSU, but honestly OSU resume was far superior to that of Penn State, Oklahoma, or any of the other teams that were left out.