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I agree. We are just sitting back and seemingly not doing anything. The MAC is either letting a chance to survive or improve the conference pass by. Feels like we are just falling further and further behind. I'd like for somebody to get the Commish's thoughts on the current landscape. What do you mean by get off the ship? Akron shouldn't be doing anything by ourselves. If you want to talk spring football, we just saw this past spring how that would work (not good).

I heard on Zips Live I believe last Tuesday where Groce mentioned they have a scrimmage with a big named school prior to the exhibition vs WVU. Anyone with insight on that?

Put me down for not really caring about the logo and uniforms as long as they aren't ugly. I personally like our new uniforms as well as the script logo. Toledo and Ohio also have their names in their logo for what its worth. I also like 14 hour briskets and craft beer so not sure where that puts me

I don't know why any MAC school would want to join the C-USA. Our TV deal appears to pay twice as much as theirs (without considering the impact in the future with the amount of their big-market schools being poached), competition certainly isn't a leg up, and travel distance increases. Love it or hate it, the one thing the MAC has going for it is stability with all of the schools so close to each other geographically.

So Terry's shortcomings were due to the administration yet Arth's aren't?

Found this podcast to be informative. https://www.crainscleveland.com/landscape/landscape-podcast-matt-kaulig-discusses-past-present-and-future-his-business-journey?utm_source=morning-roundup&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211014&utm_content=article21-readmore

It's quite obvious by anyone who watches this team that they lack talent and depth. If you think increasing playing time for walk-ons is going to lead to more success, I don't know what to tell you.

2nd. Though last year was only 6 games and they've mixed starters up quite a bit this year. I was in favor of bringing at least one in from the portal and still am for next year.

All signs pointing to Gibson to start per pregame show.

I think we beat the spread. All of the issues this team has didn’t suddenly disappear. I’ll be thrilled if we’re able to pull it off though and think that’s be a great sign going forward. Go Zips.

ABK. Anyone but Kato.

For whatever reason, listening to Arth is much more tolerable after a win.

I was told just last week most of these guys don't have potential to develop :) Like Ham said, I remember watching Gibson the past 2 years. While many wrote him off, I thought he had talent, just needed to clean things up. Against OSU and again yesterday, it looks to me like it happened. Having 2 viable QB options is a great problem to have. Kato no longer counts as one...sorry. He's the same player he's been all his career and he was the one with the hype.

I don’t agree. We’ve ran at least a few multiple TE sets this year and Brank has been regularly involved in the offense. He was 3rd on the team in receiving before today. #11 was more involved at the beginning of the year and seems to have gotten at least some more action today. Yarmo gets regular PT as well, though he doesn’t seem to do much in the receiving game.

Did Holley ever have anything on his profile indiciating he’s a Zips commit? I don’t see anything on there referencing it now.I recall Hayes tweeting out the original commitment.

Who is the staff passing up in favor “their guys” at this point? You may have had an argument 2 years ago, but not now.There are basically no upperclassman on this team. The only non-Arth recruits I can think of offhand are Kato, Bubba, Bischoff, Hawkins, Hooks, Andre Williams, Tim Scippio, and Vince Fonte. Many of them are hurt currently or have been hurt.

first half of this thread vs the 2nd is something else. How much do Ohio HS "respect" Loeffler @GP1? Because Arth sure owns his a$$!! WIll take some time to rewatch the game and post more thoughts in the coming days. Enjoying victory Saturday

I like this, but what I'm not sure what you're meaning with the highlighted. Do you mean the only assistant Akron has had?

Based on what, though? His background is nearly identical to Arth, yet he has no HC experience. Of course it could work, but I see little on paper that makes it a definite.

An All-MAC player who decided to transfer here to not be a starter would be quite the surprise.........I'd bet a lot against it.

I'd personally rather give Arth more time to grow and adjust as well as his players more time to gain experience and develop in lieu of settling for the hope of "lightning in a bottle". My thoughts may change as the season progresses however! I do agree this is not an attractive job at all, and we don't have the money to make anyone ignore the stink.

Zips football attendance and revenue (as bad as it may be comparatively) blows every other sport's attendance and revenue out of the water. Why don't we just cut all sports?

Want to expand on this discussion, as its quite possible we'll be looking for a new one soon. Complaining and calling for people's heads is one thing, but I much prefer listening to solutions rather than complaints. I've heard all about why Arth isn't the right guy. Staff not respected, no D1 experience, etc. Getting rid of him does nothing for the program if we don't hit on the new hire. Is a NFL QB coach, like a Frye or a Getsy who has no HC experience/limited collegiate coaching experience in general acceptable? Arth's resume is better than theirs at the collegiate level and he's apparently just as qualified to be an NFL QB coach as he reportedly turned down the Chargers job. Want a coordinator from a P5 program? Keep dreaming. We've long been priced out of that option. A stud D2/D3 coach? Is that really any different than Arth? A G5 coordinator is a reasonable target, but likely a big gamble. Retread? It worked for us to an extent with Bowden,. Could be an option. I always get the sense those guys are looking to move on as soon as they can though. Lane Kiffin comes to mind. You're also likely going to either hire a guy who flamed out at a top level or who is no longer there for off the field reasons, which brings into question as to whether or not you want them associated with the University. Top FCS coach? We likely can't pay enough to make them want to leave their comfort zone to join this dumpster fire. Just think you need a good idea of what you want before making the decision to move on and likely even have somebody specific in mind. Screw the search firm BS. Interesting in hearing you all's thoughts and and specific names if you got them.

Outside of win/loss and lack of talent, anyone willing to go into detail on why Arth needs to go? Like X’s and O’s type stuff. I believe he can coach. Obviously win/loss is all that matters at the end of the day, but anybody with any sense knows we weren’t set up to win in any year yet with the talent and experience he’s had. Obviously he has a lot of responsibility in that, but it’s clear he’s taken the long game approach. The number of underclassman playing is probably more than anyone in the nation. I’m wrestling with giving it another year as the youth and inexperience excuse is no longer valid next year, IMO. Then it would be bowl game or bust. I think whoever is coaching (including Arth) - assuming they aren’t a whiff - can have success next year assuming they don’t blow it up a la Arth as long as they fill the right holes from the portal, and that’s a credit to him with all the investment we’ve put in on the young guys. There’s an all-MAC QB,an above average WR tandem, and various other pieces moving forward in place. If you bring a new guy in, you have to 1) make sure they can coach and 2) hope they don’t blow it up or we’re going only going to reset the misery and likely end up in the same cyclical hell we have always been in. Not stanning for Arth, Bowden, or anyone. All I care about is the long term success of this program. Something I’ve never seen as a fan unfortunately.

Now that I think about it, I believe you're right as I vaguely recall Liberty paying MAC teams to go there. Still, when we rescheduled the last week with South Carolina the year we canned Bowden, that was tabbed as "the buyout" money or whatever and people still bitched about it.