Possible Candidates

[clarkwgriswold]

1 hour ago, NWAkron said:

Clark.  Where are you posted?  Infocision or the student union Starbucks?

 

I'm everywhere....

[ZachTheZip]

Speculation on Twitter has OSU RB coach Stan Drayton in the mix.

[94zipgrad]

3 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said:

Speculation on Twitter has OSU RB coach Stan Drayton in the mix.

I thought he was with the Longhorns 

[zippy5]

1 hour ago, Balsy said:

If Tom Arth is hired as coach of the Akron Zips, I'm done.  That hire would give me 0 confidence in the future of the program.  At least Terry had winning seasons at Northern Alabama and had the Bowden name...

If I had a dollar for every time you were done

[ZachTheZip]

7 minutes ago, 94zipgrad said:

I thought he was with the Longhorns 

 

Whoops, yes, sorry. Meant to put a "former" in there.

[Blue & Gold]

2 hours ago, 94zipgrad said:

Capt & I was discussing Getsy, how is it in the weeds?

I love that discussion!  But before Zach made that post there were about 1&1/2 pages worth of comparing Ohio high school football versus California, Florida & Texas.

[94zipgrad]

8 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said:

I love that discussion!  But before Zach made that post there were about 1&1/2 pages worth of comparing Ohio high school football versus California, Florida & Texas.

?? Gotcha

[pdt1420]

Greg Debeljak 

[gozips19]

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/dec/05/arth-linked-akron-opening/484389/

 

Very interesting note on Arth's contract situation if he were to leave this year. 

[Balsy]

11 hours ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

 

6-5 this season with a loss to South Carolina (put up 3x more pts against the Gamecocks than Division I Akron did). This is an improvement from the 3-8 campaign in his first season as HC last year. That's a SOLID turn around, and this season included a victory over #17 Samford (doesn't like much to us, but probably a good win for them). 

 

This, following a 40-8 resume at John Carroll. Does wake George Thomas up? No, but nobody aside from hiring Urban Meyer would do that. However, being done with a program if they hire a guy with a 49-21 career HC record is quite ridiculous. Not to mention the guy probably has better connections to recruit NEO than he does Chattanooga, TN. 

 

My top choice would be an offensive mind from one of these top offensive programs as previously mentioned in one of my posts, with preference #2 being Getsy. However, if we're suggesting Mount Union's coach, Arth isn't TOO far off from him. 

 

Bowden was 140-62 before coming to Akron... and 5-7 was a solid turnaround from 1-11.  I'm just saying I don't get the Hype on Tom Arth.  And if people don't like him at UTC, why should we like the idea of getting him here?

[clarkwgriswold]

8 hours ago, gozips19 said:

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/dec/05/arth-linked-akron-opening/484389/

 

Very interesting note on Arth's contract situation if he were to leave this year. 

One positive from that article is that Arth fired someone with the last name of Harbaugh.

[Dr Z]

 

[Blue & Gold]

I've got to trust LW.

[Captain Kangaroo]

7 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said:

I've got to trust LW.

Because all the other Zips athletic directors since the late 80's have made such outstanding hires?

[LZIp]

9 hours ago, gozips19 said:

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/dec/05/arth-linked-akron-opening/484389/

 

Very interesting note on Arth's contract situation if he were to leave this year. 

That author isn't very good at directions.

[LZIp]

24 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

Because all the other Zips athletic directors since the late 80's have made such outstanding hires?

Come on Cap'n...whats that got to do with LW?

[ZippyRulz]

11 hours ago, pdt1420 said:

Greg Debeljak 

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

4 hours ago, Balsy said:

 

Bowden was 140-62 before coming to Akron... and 5-7 was a solid turnaround from 1-11.  I'm just saying I don't get the Hype on Tom Arth.  And if people don't like him at UTC, why should we like the idea of getting him here?

He's 37 years old, had unprecedented success at John Carroll, and I trust Larry Williams. 

 

If you read the UTC board beyond page 3, it sounds like there have been some events occur out of Arth's control - including his starting QB being suspended in 2017 from  a situation with the previous coaching staff (if I read that correctly). 

 

There is a trend in football right now to hire the young coach with a great football mind. If LW determines Arth fits that mold, I trust him. Is it splashy or sexy? Nope. Bowden was sexy/splashy, and the program has plateaued if not regressed. 

 

Arth isn't my first choice, but again, to say you're done with the program if they hire him is absurd. 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Let'sGoZips94

[Blue & Gold]

1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

Because all the other Zips athletic directors since the late 80's have made such outstanding hires?

Because he's a football guy and not like any of those other Zips athletic directors.

Because he made a great hire in men's BB.

Because it appears he made a great hire in women's BB.

Because he made a great hire for baseball.

He has more football knowledge in the tip of his d*ck than I do.  There comes a point at which I've got to trust him.

[LZIp]

18 minutes ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

He's 37 years old, had unprecedented success at John Carroll, and I trust Larry Williams. 

 

If you read the UTC board beyond page 3, it sounds like there have been some events occur out of Arth's control - including his starting QB being suspended in 2017 from  a situation with the previous coaching staff (if I read that correctly). 

 

There is a trend in football right now to hire the young coach with a great football mind. If LW determines Arth fits that mold, I trust him. Is it splashy or sexy? Nope. Bowden was sexy/splashy, and the program has plateaued if not regressed. 

 

Arth isn't my first choice, but again, to say you're done with the program if they hire him is absurd. 

Can you share the link to the UTC message board?

 

Arth doesn't appear to be a slam dunk on paper, and I would like a better understanding of the drop off (if there is an explanation). In my reading, it may be in part due to him not having his JCU OC, which he just got back.  Arth was on the verge of making JCU a Mount Union level program, and nobody has had an issue with the thought of Kehres. He's been a QB in the NFL. He's shown to be able to recruit, at least at the FCS level. There can be a learning curve moving up. Arth at the least has shown improvement.

 

I haven't seen any slam dunk on paper. The board's favorite (I suspect because he played and was successful here) isn't that great either. No prior HC experience and the offense regressed under him, and that offense doesn't appear on paper to be a fun one to watch. I'm willing to listen, research, and give anyone a chance as long as they have some qualifications, because we aren't going to get some surefire guy like OSU. I hope the rest of the board and fan base is willing to do the same.

Edited December 6, 2018 by LZIp

[Dr Z]

"Omaha Omaha Omaha, 50's the mike, kill kill kill...."

 

 

 

[Let'sGoZips94]

10 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Can you share the link to the UTC message board?

 

...because we aren't going to get some surefire guy like OSU.

 

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/mocnation/chattanooga-mocs-football-f66/

 

Even the Suckeyes didn't make the sexy hire. They went a young, up-and-coming coach with a great football mind (apparently). 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Let'sGoZips94

[94zipgrad]

33 minutes ago, LZIp said:

Can you share the link to the UTC message board?

 

Arth doesn't appear to be a slam dunk on paper, and I would like a better understanding of the drop off (if there is an explanation). In my reading, it may be in part due to him not having his JCU OC, which he just got back.  Arth was on the verge of making JCU a Mount Union level program, and nobody has had an issue with the thought of Kehres. He's been a QB in the NFL. He's shown to be able to recruit, at least at the FCS level. There can be a learning curve moving up. Arth at the least has shown improvement.

 

I haven't seen any slam dunk on paper. The board's favorite (I suspect because he played and was successful here) isn't that great either. No prior HC experience and the offense regressed under him, and that offense doesn't appear on paper to be a fun one to watch. I'm willing to listen, research, and give anyone a chance as long as they have some qualifications, because we aren't going to get some surefire guy like OSU. I hope the rest of the board and fan base is willing to do the same.

They had the same record, they are minus 20 yards a game & 3 points, not a huge drop off & in the SEC, what most people believe is the best conference in football.  I personally think of options listed he is the best but my guess is it’s a pay cut & his time is coming someday without taking the risk at Akron & again if he came & won he is gone, but I’m fine with that

 

I also like Getsy’s pro experience with Packers & this article https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.packersnews.com/amp/86119352

 

Not against Arth just seems like Getsy would be the homerun every thinks Williams keeps hitting

Edited December 6, 2018 by 94zipgrad

[Captain Kangaroo]

1 hour ago, Let'sGoZips94 said:

If you read the UTC board beyond page 3, it sounds like there have been some events occur out of Arth's control - including his starting QB being suspended in 2017 from  a situation with the previous coaching staff (if I read that correctly). 

I would contend that, had Woodson not been suspended, Bowden would have won a lot more games. And if Kato wouldn't have been hurt this season, we'd have more games. Probably would have been bowl eligible. Woulda... coulda... shoulda...

 

I met Rob Ianello shortly after he was hired. Within 1 minute, I knew the guy was a jackass that would fail. Yet he made it through the UA interview process and got hired. I trust no AD.

 

I look at Notre Dame. Bottomless pockets. Resources out the wazoo. Best facilities. Tradition. And they hired Ty Willingham, Bob Davies and Charlie Weis. I trust no AD.

 

AD's are nothing special. There are bad ones, mediocre ones, and a few great ones. The great ones would be successful in any business. They're leaders. Not just because they played football. A solid COO or VP of Sales at any successful company, with zero football experience, could hire a great football coach at Akron. 

 

Maybe Arth is awesome. Maybe Williams is enamored with him for some other non-football reason (like UA was with Faust and Ianello from Notre Dame, or Thomas was with Brookhart - the "young up-and-comer" at the time). I don't know. We'd better interview at least two other candidates, and give them a serious look. 

[Captain Kangaroo]

46 minutes ago, Blue & Gold said:

Because he's a football guy and not like any of those other Zips athletic directors.

Because he made a great hire in men's BB.

Because it appears he made a great hire in women's BB.

Because he made a great hire for baseball.

He has more football knowledge in the tip of his d*ck than I do.  There comes a point at which I've got to trust him.

• Meh. 99% of the guys that played pro football couldn't hire a college coach if their life depended upon it.
• I like Groce, but it's a little early to call him a great hire. He was a low-risk, obvious choice. 
• I'll hold off on the hosannas for the new women's coach until she coaches...maybe 10 games? 
• I'll hold off on the hosannas for Sabo until he coaches...maybe 1 game? 
• I hope we make a great hire, win a couple championships and fill InfoCision. But 30 years of history tells me there's a decent chance we'll screw it up.